Pakistan at an important historical crossroads

I is indeed sad that a tragedy such as this should focus the mind in GHQ, with their civilian fronts. But such events reveal to us the "obvious truth"........

1. Pakistan cannot sustain GWoT indefinitely for the USA, socially, politically, militarily, ethnically and especially economically. To try to do so forcefully for gora sahib will mean eventual national collapse.

2. The USA is an abusive racist power, run by Jews which has very little respect for Pakistan. Since Pakistan's relationship with the USA significantly started in 1954, that relationship has been on a downward spiral including threats to bomb the country back to the stone age by a senior American government figure to the President of Pakistan.

3. The USA is a hyper-power which according to the PNAC document of 2000 wants full spectrum control of the entire world. It has 1000 military bases around the world; 4/5 on-going wars in the Greater Middle East; an unofficial security budget of $1500 billion.....such a state with such a political/military posture should be distanced from vigorously and seriously by a country like Pakistan.

4. Pakistan is a Failed State, and many academics may write elaborate research papers as to why this is so. This academic who has focused on Pakistan since......a long time......thinks one critical factor is the negative influence of the USA in Pakistan since 1954.

Previous advice over many years still stands:

Close ALL USA military bases in Pakistan.

Eject ALL USA military personnel from Pakistan.

Cut ALL military training programs with Western countries especially the USA/UK.

Cut all military aid programs with the USA.

Close ALL USA consulates in Pakistan and reduce the USA embassy staff to about 10 people.

Close ALL foreign NGO's in Pakistan since most are intelligence fronts.

Reduce Western tourism in Pakistan.

Close ALL Western missionary organizations in Pakistan since ALL are intelligence fronts.


The comments about Sher Shah and Alauddin Khilji were mere bluster and spur of the moment angst.....and not advisable.

At many levels you cannot compare the armies of the Delhi Sultanates with the current Pakistani military which owes its existence, "esprit de corp" and heritage to Bilaat Sahib.

History apart, clear action needs to be taken systematically and quite quickly. To do otherwise is extremely dangerous for Pakistan.

Satanic criminals peddling drugs have no empathy, or reason or even logic....they are wild beasts who take pleasure in inhuman action..........but respect strong resolute action.


US and Pakistan Enter the Danger Zone
By M K Bhadrakumar at therearenosunglasses and Asia Times.

The air strike by the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) at the Pakistani military post at Salala in the Mohmand Agency on the Afghan-Pakistan border Friday night is destined to become a milestone in the chronicle of the Afghan war.

Within hours of the incident, Pakistan’s relations with the US began nose-diving and it continues to plunge. NATO breached the ”red line”.

What is absolutely stunning about the statement issued by Pakistan’s Defence Committee of the Cabinet (DDC), which met Saturday at Islamabad under the chairmanship of Prime Minister Yousuf Gilani is that it did not bother to call for an inquiry by the US or NATO into the air strike that resulted in the death of 28 Pakistani soldiers.

Exactly what happened in the fateful night of Friday – whether the NATO blundered into a mindless retaliatory (or pre-emptive) act or ventured into a calculated act of high provocation – will remain a mystery. Maybe it is no more important to know, since blood has been drawn and innocence lost, which now becomes the central point.

At any rate, the DDC simply proceeded on the basis that this was a calculated air strike – and by no means an accidental occurrence. Again, the DDC statement implies that in the Pakistan military’s estimation, the NATO attack emanated from a US decision. Pakistan lodged a strong protest at the NATO Headquarters in Brussels but that was more for purpose of ‘record’, while the “operative” part is directed at Washington.

The GHQ in Rawalpindi would have made the assessment within hours of the Salala incident that the US is directly culpable. The GHQ obviously advised the DDC accordingly and recommended the range of measures Pakistan should take by way of what Chief of Army Staff General Ashfaq Parvez Kiani publicly called an “effective response.”

The DDC took the following decisions: a) to close NATO’s transit routes through Pakistani territory with immediate effect; b) to ask the US to vacate Shamsi airbase within 15 days; c) to “revisit and undertake a complete review” of all “programs, activities and cooperative arrangements” with US, NATO and the International Security Assistance Force (ISAF), including in “diplomatic, political and intelligence” areas; d) to announce shortly a whole range of further measures apropos Pakistan’s future cooperation with US, NATO and ISAF.

No more doublespeak

The response stops short of declaring the termination of Pakistan’s participation in the US-led war in Afghanistan (which, incidentally, is the demand by Pakistani politician Imran Khan who is considered to be close to the Pakistani military circles). In essence, however, Pakistan is within inches of doing that.

The closure of the US-NATO transit routes through Pakistan territory may not immediately affect the coalition forces in Afghanistan, as it has built up reserve stocks that could last several weeks. But the depletion of the reserves would cause anxiety if the Pakistani embargo is prolonged, which cannot be ruled out.

Therefore, the Pakistani move is going to affect the NATO operations in Afghanistan, since around half the supplies for US-NATO troops still go via Pakistan. An alternative for the US and NATO will be to rely more on the transit routes of the Northern Distribution Network [NDN]. But the US and NATO’s dependence on the NDN always carried a political price tag – Russia’s cooperation.

Moscow is agitated about the US regional policies. The NATO intervention in Libya caused friction, which deepened the Russian angst over the US’s perceived lack of seriousness to regard it as equal partner and its cherry-picking or “selective partnership”.

Then, there are other specific issues that agitate Moscow: US’s push for “regime change” in Syria, the US and NATO appearance in the Black Sea region, continued deployment of US missile defense system, and the push for US military bases in Afghanistan. In addition, Moscow has already begun circling wagons over the US “New Silk Road” initiative and its thrust into Central Asia.

The future of the US-Russia reset remains uncertain. Washington barely disguises its visceral dislike of the prospect of Vladimir Putin’s return to the Kremlin following the presidential election in March next year. Short of bravado, the US and NATO should not brag that they have the NDN option up their sleeve in lieu of the Pakistani transit routes. The Pakistani military knows this, too.

Equally, the closure of the Shamsi airbase can hurt the US drone operations. Pakistan has so far turned a blind eye to the drone attacks, even conniving with them. Shamsi, despite the US’s insistence that drone operations were conducted from bases in Afghanistan, surely had a significant role in terms of intelligence back-up and logistical support.

By demanding that the US vacate Shamsi, Pakistan is possibly shifting its stance on the drone attacks; its doublespeak may be ending. Pakistan is ”strengthening” its air defense on the Afghan-Pakistan border. Future US drone operations may have to be conducted factoring in the possibility that Pakistan might regard them as violations of its air space. The US is on slippery ground under international law and the United Nations Charter.

A Persian response

The big issue is how Pakistan proposes to continue with its cooperation with the US-NATO operations. Public opinion is leaning heavily toward dissociating with the US-led war. The government’s announcement on the course of relations with the US/NATO/ISAF can be expected as early as next week. The future of the war hangs by a thread.

Unlike during previous phases of US-Pakistan tensions Washington lacks a “Pakistan hand” to constructively engage Islamabad. The late Richard Holbrooke, former special AfPak envoy, has become distant memory and special representative Marc Grossman has not been able to step into his shoes.

Admiral Mike Mullen has retired as chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and is now a ‘burnt-out case’ embroiled in controversies with the Pakistani military. Central Intelligence Agency director David Petraeus isn’t terribly popular in Islamabad after his stint leading the US Central Command, while his predecessor as spy chief and now Defense Secretary Leon Panetta always remained a distant figure.

US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton is a charming politician, but certainly not cut out for the role of networking with the Pakistani generals at the operational level. She could perhaps offer a healing touch once the bleeding wound is cleansed of dirt, stitched up and bandaged. And US President Barack Obama, of course, never cared to establish personal chemistry with a Pakistani leader, as he would with Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh.

Now, who could do that in Washington? The horrible truth is – no one. It is a shocking state of affairs for a superpower with over 100,000 troops deployed out there in the tangled mountains in Pakistan’s vicinity. There has been a colossal breakdown of diplomacy at the political, military and intelligence level.

Washington trusted former Pakistani ambassador Hussein Haqqani almost as its own special envoy to Islamabad, but he has been summarily replaced under strange circumstances – probably, for the very same reason. At the end of the day, an intriguing question keeps popping up: Can it be that Pakistan is simply not interested anymore in dialoguing with the Obama administration?

The heart of the matter is that the Pakistani citadel has pulled back the bridges leading to it from across the surrounding crocodile-infested moat. This hunkering down is going to be Obama’s key problem. Pakistan is boycotting the Bonn Conference II on December 2. This hunkering down should worry the US more than any Pakistani military response to the NATO strike.

The US would know from the Iranian experience that it has no answer for the sort of strategic defiance that an unfriendly nation resolute in its will to resist can put up against an ‘enemy’ it genuinely considers ‘satanic’.

The Pakistani military leadership is traditionally cautious and it is not going to give a military response to the US’s provocation. (Indeed, the Taliban are always there to keep bleeding the US and NATO troops.)

Washington may have seriously erred if the intention Friday night was to draw out the Pakistani military into a retaliatory mode and then to hit it with a sledgehammer and make it crawl on its knees pleading mercy. Things aren’t going to work that way. Pakistan is going to give a “Persian” response.

The regional situation works in Pakistan’s favor. The recent Istanbul conference (November 2) showed up Russia, China, Pakistan and Iran sharing a platform of opposition to the US bases in Afghanistan in the post-2014 period.

The Obama administration’s grandiose scheme to transform the 89-year period ahead as ‘America’s Pacific Century’ makes Pakistan a hugely important partner for China. At the very minimum, Russia has stakes in encouraging Pakistan’s strategic autonomy. So does Iran.

None of these major regional powers wants the deployment of the US missile defense system in the Hindu Kush and Pakistan is bent on exorcising the region of the military presence of the US and its allies. That is also the real meaning of Pakistan’s induction as a full member of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization, which is on the cards.


A deliberate calculated attack against a Pakistani border post

There may be various reasons why the USA occupation forces attacked the Pakistani border post.

One, it could be frustration by the Americans about Pakistan's covert backing of their Taliban assets. Though the CIA created the Taliban through the Pakistan military as "controlled opposition" who provide an implausible reason why the USA must occupy and fight in Afghanistan, the American military fighting and dying in Afghanistan may not understand this delicate fact.

The incident could be a probing attack to see the reaction of the Pakistani state and especially of the Pakistan military. Useful if future invasion of the country is contemplated.

American displeasure that NATO containers must now pay double from $5000 to $10000 per containers transit fee through Pakistan from January 2012.

Rogue bored USA military commanders just having some fun, after killing a few more Afghan civilians, attacking wedding parties and children playing in the dusty field......getting high on the Afghan heroin.


Pakistan: US Attack on Base Lasted ‘Almost Two Hours’ as Calls to Stop Were Ignored

Pakistani Military Spokesman Angrily Rejects Claim They Started It

by Jason Ditz, antiwar.com

Questions continue to grow over the Friday night US attack on a Pakistani military base today, with new reports coming out of Pakistan saying that the air attacks against the base lasted for almost two hours.

The Army statement says that the base repeatedly broadcast calls for a ceasefire over the course of the two hours and that those calls were repeatedly ignored, with the attack, carried out by warplanes and helicopters, killing 24 soldiers.

Major General Athar Abbas, the Pakistani Army’s chief spokesman, termed the attack a “deliberate aggression” by NATO and angrily rejected the new claims that the Pakistani army had started it.

“There was no fire from this direction,” Abbas insisted, challenging the claims on the basis that there were zero claims of any casualties on NATO’s side and no evidence that the people at the base, who were sleeping at the time, did anything to provoke the strikes.

(Border posts are manned by lightly armed troops, armed with nothing other than assault rifles and MG's)


No colonial intervention in Syria using "al-CIA-duh"

Of course certain BRIC countries have fresh memories of Western colonial powers wrecking havoc in their countries, and do not wish that nasty habit to develop too easily in the West again, in the wake of the Soviet Unions collapse in 1991 and the opportunity it afforded for certain globalist sections of the USA, with their European poodles.

The pre-2001 world order of global cooperation and development must be sought.


BRICS warns against Syria intervention

Russia and China along with their three partners in the BRICS group of emerging economies have warned against foreign intervention in Syria without UN approval.

By Presstv.com

In a statement issued after consultations on Thursday in Moscow, the five nations called for immediate talks between the government and opposition in Syria, Reuters reported.

The Russian representative at the meeting said Moscow rejects pressure from the Syrian opposition groups and accuses Western nations of trying to set the stage for armed intervention.

"Any external intervention that does not correspond with the United Nations Charter must be ruled out," the Russian Foreign Ministry statement said.

The Russian statement added that, "The only acceptable scenario for resolving the internal crisis in Syria is the immediate start of peaceful talks with the participation of all sides,”

The BRICS final communiqué said nations "placed a special accent on the role of (the UN Security Council), which holds primary responsibility for the support of international peace and security."

Referring to the recent events in the Middle East and North Africa, BRICS nations noted “the need for the complete adherence to human rights by all sides, in particular the authorities, in regard to protecting unarmed civilians."

The consultations of the BRICS countries brought together deputy foreign ministers of Russia and China as well as Brazil, India and South Africa.

Syria has been experiencing unrest since mid-March, with demonstrations held both in favor and against President Bashar al-Assad.

France became the first country to call for international intervention in Syria this week citing humanitarian grounds.

Syria insists that the unrest in the country has been largely promoted by foreign-linked armed elements that have been trying to incite violence by targeting security forces as well as ordinary protesters and blaming the government for their armed efforts.

Countless Syrian civilians and military personnel have lost their lives in the unrest.

Iran must target the NATO radar missiles in Turkey.

I suppose this is a semi repetition of the 1962 Cuban missile crisis when the USA stationed Titan missiles against the Soviet Union and the Soviet Union tried the oneupmanship in Cuba with the very same. Of course that episode led to an eventual compromise which was that the USA would gradually move the nuclear missiles from Turkey, in exchange for no Soviet nuclear missiles in Cuba.

Given that both the Soviet Union and the USA were and are run by Jews we do not know the TRUE nature of such an episode? An elaborate psychwar for what?

As it is Iran naturally has to study and grasp the presence of NATO advanced radar in Turkey, and see what role they will play in any possible future attack on Iran. This must be done in conjunction with Syria and Russia.

If Turkey is backing "al-Qaeda" elements in Syria, shouldn't Syria use its Alawite connections to do the same in Turkey?



Turkish sources say that Syria has turned its Russian-made SCUD missiles towards Turkey, Press TV reports.

The sources said that the missiles have been deployed in Syria's Kamisili and Ayn Diwar regions, Press TV's Ankara correspondent reported on Saturday.

The two regions are close to the borders of Turkey and Iraq.
This comes as Turkey has recently stepped up its rhetoric against the Syrian government.

Reports have also emerged suggesting that Turkey is harboring Syrian armed opposition groups.
Syria has been experiencing unrest since mid-March, with demonstrations being held both against and in support of President Assad.

Damascus says the unrest has been largely incited by elements that are well-paid and armed by foreign powers.

Hundreds of people, including members of the security forces, have been killed in the turmoil.

The opposition and Western countries accuse Syrian security forces of being behind the killings in the country, but the government blames what it describes as outlaws, saboteurs and armed terrorist groups for the deadly violence, stressing that the unrest is being orchestrated from abroad.

"al-CIA-duh" Libya to arm train "al-CIA-duh" in Syria


Libya to arm rebels in Syria

Ruth Sherlock at AP, The Telegraph and therearenosunglasses.com

Pro-Syrian regime protesters appear from a huge Syrian flag as  they wave Syrian and Baath party flags, during a protest against the  Arab League decisions, in Damascus, Syria.

A demonstration in favor of Bashar al-Assad. Photo: AP

Syrian rebels have held secret talks with Libya’s new authorities, aiming to secure weapons and money for their insurgency against Bashar al-Assad’s regime, it has been revealed.

At the meeting, which was held in Istanbul and included Turkish officials, the Syrians requested assistance from the Libyan representatives and were offered arms and, potentially, volunteers.

”There is something being planned to send weapons and even Libyan fighters to Syria,” a Libyan source said, on condition of anonymity. ”There is a military intervention on the way. Within a few weeks you will see.”

It has also emerged that preliminary discussions about arms supplies took place when members of the Syrian National Council – the country’s main opposition movement – visited Libya earlier this month.

”The Libyans are offering money, training and weapons to the Syrian National Council,” said Wisam Taris, a human rights campaigner with links to the council.

The disclosure came as the Syrian military said rebels had raided an air force base outside the city of Homs and killed six pilots.

Rebel attacks have become daily occurrences since the onset of the insurrection. The conflict has claimed at least 3500 lives, mainly as part of a crackdown on protests by the government.

Syria’s regime has continued to defy pressure from the Arab League, ignoring Friday’s deadline to accept the deployment of 500 human rights observers, raising the possibility that economic sanctions might be agreed upon this weekend.

Last month, Libya’s interim government became the first in the world to recognise Syria’s opposition movement as the country’s ”legitimate authority”.

Activists said large shipments of weapons had not yet been sent, mainly because of logistical difficulties. But proposals for a ”buffer zone” inside Syria, monitored by the Arab League, or the likely emergence of an area inside the country controlled entirely by rebels could solve this problem.

”The [Libyan] council’s offer is serious,” Mr Taris said. Turkey, which has denounced Mr Assad’s regime, is already sheltering about 7000 Syrian opposition activists, including the leader of the Free Syrian Army, the nascent rebel movement, in a ”safe zone” along Turkey’s border with Syria.

Sources in the Libyan town of Misrata suggested that some weapons might already have been sent. Some smugglers were caught selling small arms to Syrian buyers in Misrata, said a man who trafficked guns to Libya’s rebels during the country’s civil war.

However, Libyan officials denied some of the claims. ”This is what you hear in the street,” said the leader of the Misrata military council, Ramadan Zarmoh. ”Officially there is none of this. I would never send any fighters to fight outside the country.”

Ministers from the Arab League are expected to meet in Cairo this weekend to consider sanctions against Syria.

The British Prime Minister, David Cameron, and his Qatari counterpart, Sheikh Hamad bin Jassim al-Thani, pledged on Friday to keep up talks with Syrian opposition groups in an attempt to support a transition to a stable democracy.

Meanwhile, a United Nations human rights panel has called on Syria to respond to reports its security forces had tortured children in their crackdown on anti-government protesters.

The Committee against Torture said in Geneva that it had received ”numerous, consistent and substantiated reports” of widespread abuse occurring since the start of the uprising against Mr Assad’s government eight months ago.

”Of particular concern are reports referring to children who have suffered torture and mutilation while detained,” said the panel’s chairman, Claudio Grossman.

He also cited reports of ”extrajudicial, summary or arbitrary executions; arbitrary detention by police forces and the military; and enforced and involuntary disappearances.”

The committee normally reviews each country’s record every four years, but took the unusual step on Friday of issuing a spontaneous demand to the Syrian government to explain its actions.

Arrogant evil indifference of the gora.


Fury in Pakistan After NATO Attack Kills 28 Soldiers

Attacks in Mohmand Province Targeted Two Army Bases

by Jason Ditz, antiwar.com

Long stretched to their breaking point, ties between the United States and Pakistan look to have frayed dramatically overnight as NATO warplanes and helicopters attacked a pair of Army bases in Pakistan’s Mohmand Agency, killing at least 28 soldiers.

“This is an attack on Pakistan’s sovereignty,” Prime Minister Gilani declared, and the Pakistani government has already halted all supplies to NATO troops in Afghanistan in protest over the attack.

NATO spokesmen, for their part, appear mostly ambivalent about the killings, saying that NATO warplanes had been called in due to an “incident” near the border and that it was “highly likely” they attacked Pakistan’s bases during the course of that operation.

Pakistan’s Army has promised to launch an “effective response” to NATO’s attack, saying it was unprovoked and uncalled for. The foreign ministry says it will issue a complaint in the “strongest terms” to NATO for the killings.

Military top brass not with 90% of Pak-i-stanis.

The is a tragedy that Pakistan lost so many soldiers due to the actions of the Pakistan military ally.....NATO/USA recently.

This is not the first "mistake" by the NATO/USA, nor the last.

But who bares ultimate responsibility for the tragedy?

OBVIOUSLY and OF COURSE the Pakistan military top brass.

No doubt the free USA louta money for Kiyani and Suja Pasha has a lot to do with the clear fundamental disconnect of these top brass pursuing gora sahib dictated policy which harms Pakistan clearly ($70 billion loss to the national treasury since 2001 since participating in GWoT, 35,000 dead Pakistanis, Pakistan since 2006 a Failed State, political instability, economic instability, ethnic instability, social instability........drone attacks......NATO/USA unauthorized intervention in sovereign Pakistan territory, and 300 terrorist incidents).

You have to be a complete idiot, and a general in the Pakistan military not to be able to see the problem strategically and at a basic human level (the sight of innocent Pakistani children killed by American drones fired from Pakistan territory, and Pakistani military bases, with the help of the Pakistani military on the ground.)

I understand that military training involves de-sensitizing, delinking human emotion with action. Jolly good. But does military training also include being good traitors for gora sahib, and defying basic strategic interests of Pakistan?

We know that the ISI was set up and run by the British from 1948-1959.

We know that the Pakistan military top brass are trained in the UK/USA and that because of this close relationship, fundamental ideas at many levels are deffer-ed to when they emanate from the USA/UK, military to military, civilian gora sahib to Pak military: The Pak military gestures, action, smell, Engrezi talking points, name tags on their jacket shirts, military doctrine and general attitude tell us so.

The Pakistan military as argued clearly over many years on this blog is a post-colonial military force which is a mini-me of the Raj Indian military, carrying out significant vicious nasty brutal operations against its own unarmed population, and against innocent neighbors such as India, Afghanistan, Iran and China AT THE BEHEST OF AND INTEREST OF GORA SAHIB AND ITS STRATEGIC OBJECTIVES (PNAC 2000)....which have significant negative repercussions on Pakistan subsequently.

We know that the Pakistan military for Masterji undertook a coup in Pakistan in 1958.

We know that the Pakistan military for Masterji undertook a coup in Pakistan in 1977......because the Americans mistakenly thought Bhutto was actually directing a nuke bomb program.

We know the Pakistan military for gora Masterji armed the more extremists elements of the Afghan Mujaheddin such as Hekmatyar and Haqqani from July 1979.

We know the Pakistan military for gora Masterji armed, trained, directed and even led the Taliban from 1994.

We know the Pakistan military for gora Masterji created the false "al-Qaeda" myth and sustained it there after along with the false narrative of 9/11, even though they knew OBL had died in 2001.

We know the Pakistan military for gora Masterji has waged war against the good Pashtun people for certain ill defined anthropological reasons whether in Afghanistan or Pakistan, and that fundamentally it is not good for Pakistan, the FAILED STATE, to be at permanent war against 15% of its own people in alliance with and funded by gora sahib publicly, because of the strategic objectives of gora sahib IN PAKISTAN (Weaken the state, destabilize the state, pretend to be a friend, declare the country a failed state and terrorist hub number one and then invade to secure the nukes with India).

But "our" strategic depth genius generals do not, cannot see the problem, because of where they were trained and because of the $ loota in Swiss accounts. All our 194 serving generals are guaranteed millionaires........only in the Pakistan military (Ayesha Siddiqa: "Military Inc"). For the first few days the top brass will avoid the spotlight and the media after this tragedy.....because Pakistanis with common sense can and will make the link between the tragedy and the military's close relationship, position and action with gora sahib.

Powerless Gilani who has no say over security and foreign policy..........WILL make statements about state security and state foreign policy for the Pakistan military top brass. Then token PR action will be taken until "everything cools down, and forgotten". (i) Blockade of supplies to NATO/USA forces in Afghanistan for a few days. (ii) Ceremonial closure of American military base..1....just 1...which is already inactive in Pakistan.

Thats it, until the event repeats itself again.

NATO/USA are conducting probing attacks against Pakistan to see the reaction of the state, THE PAK MILITARY with the eventuality of full invasion later.

Naturally the Pakistani military should send a strong force into Afghanistan and give the NATO/USA forces a good smacking, in the vicinity of Kandahar....division level. And then with a straight face LATER say the division was on exercise in Baluchistan scheduled for the year, and it veered off in the wrong direction.

This is what Sher Shah would do.

I do not know what
Alauddin Khilji would do?

To do otherwise is dangerous.

You can't mistake a Pakistan military post, up on the top of the hill, with the flag, and the men in their particular uniform....again...again...again.

NATO/USA forces running their Afghan drug plantation along with the puppet and corrupt Karzai government is not wanted by most Afghans, not wanted by Iran, not wanted by Russia, not wanted by the Pakistani people if not the generals and probably not wanted by China. They are isolated there with their 280,000 soldiers and mercenaries........killing women and children at wedding parties.

Pakistan must do more than tokenism in reaction to this latest outrage, but obviously the "Zardari government" and the Pakistan military top brass aren't going to do it:

Close ALL USA military bases in Pakistan.

Eject ALL USA military personnel from Pakistan.

Cut ALL military training programs with Western countries especially the USA/UK.

Cut all military aid programs with the USA.

Close ALL USA consulates in Pakistan and reduce the USA embassy staff to about 10 people.

Close ALL foreign NGO's in Pakistan since most are intelligence fronts.

Reduce Western tourism in Pakistan.

Close ALL Western missionary organizations in Pakistan since ALL are intelligence fronts.



Faced with massive fallout from their overnight bombing of two Pakistani military bases in Mohmand Agency, NATO officials are incredibly defending the strike, saying that the strafing of two bases full of sleeping soldiers amounted to “self-defense.”

Early reports from NATO indicated that there was some sort of clash with militants near the border that led to the bombers and attack helicopters being brought in. Despite the apparent official approval of the incident it is entirely unclear why they would’ve attacked the military bases in response to a cross border raid by militants.


Hitler the secret Jew

Most of the top Nazis in Germany (1933--45) were Jews, so it stands to reason that Hitler is also descended from Jews.

Their REAL collective "achievement" was the death of 10 million ethnic Germans in and around Germany between 1939--1947.

The occupation of the country by 4 Jewish dominated nations after 1945.

The utter destruction of the country by 1945.

Imposition of a false guilt on the German nation.

Reparations and indebtedness by Germans to Jews into infinity, for their great contribution to Germany.

The participation of Germany in two unnecessary Jewish formulated wars, WWI and WWII.

The loss of ethnic German territory occupied for thousands of years by German tribes, after they migrated from Russia and the Steppes.

Politically controlled by foreign powers since 1945, as its security.


William Hitler

William Hitler was born in Liverpool, in the UK.

He was the son of Hitler's brother, Alois Hitler Jr., and his Irish-born wife Bridget Dowling.

Alois Hitler

William's parents met in Dublin when Alois was living there in 1909; they were married in Marylebone and moved back north to Liverpool, where William was born in 1911.

Bridget Dowling

In 1933, William Hitler was in Nazi Germany, hoping to benefit from his uncle's rise to power.

"He travelled to Britain in 1937 where he gave an interview to the Daily Express declaring himself, in now heavily accented English, to be 'the only legal descendant of the Hitler family' and even striking poses adopted by his uncle...

"William declined to renounce his British passport in return for a top job in the regime. He then tried to blackmail the Führer.

William Hitler

"The details emerged years later at the Nuremberg trials.

"Hans Frank, the former Nazi lawyer responsible for millions of deaths while he was the Governor General of Poland, revealed how William had written to his uncle in the late 1930s threatening to expose the Hitlers' 'unusual family history'.

"It was a veiled threat that he would confirm the long-held rumour that Hitler's paternal grandfather was, in fact, a Jewish merchant, Leopold Frankenberger, who had had an affair with his grandmother, Maria, during her time in service to the family in Graz."


William threatened to reveal to the press that Hitler's paternal grandfather was a Jewish merchant.

In 1939, William fled Germany with the help of a British agent.

In 1944 William joined the U.S. Navy.

William Hitler (left)

William Hitler's sons. During renovations of William Hitler's former house in the USA, family possessions were discovered , including blood lab equipment under the rear porch. (Three Quiet Brothers on Long Island, All of Them Related to Hitler ...)

Adolf Hitler spent five months in Liverpool, allegedly to dodge being conscripted into the Austrian Army before World War One.

Hitler stayed in a flat in Liverpool with his married half-brother Alois from November 1912 to April 1913.

(Some writers think that in reality he was already recruited by British Intelligence, and that explains his presence in the UK looking gaunt and hypnotized, forever reading from small manuals rather than ingratiating himself with his surrounding as would any draft dodger. AND NOT because he was running away scared from the Austrian military......he fully participated in the subsequent Great War from 1914-1918 and won a iron cross as a goffer, and joined paramilitary outfits there after)


A sincere counter-balance to the American empire

I do not know if it is true or not. I hope its true.

Syria MUST be militarily defended by BOTH Russia and Iran.

After Syria it will be Iran.

After Iran it will be Central Asia.

After Central Asia it will be Russia itself.

LOGICALLY given this long term trajectory it is in Russia's and Iran's interests to seriously invest in Syria's defense systems, beyond mere tokenism.

If Syria falls too easily to NATO/USA imperialism then obviously Iran will be the next target......and so on.

There is also the psychological aspect. CIA Saddam's military machine followed the Soviet War doctrine, and was largely equipped with Soviet equipment. When that military machine failed badly in 1991, it was also seen as a failure of the Soviet War doctrine. ONE THINKS THERE WAS AT LEAST SOME LINK BETWEEN SADDAM'S DEBACLE IN KUWAIT, and the collapse of the Soviet in 1991.

The Syrians are largely equipped with Soviet military technology and follow Soviet war doctrine. A quick NATO/USA victory there will be seen as another defeat for truncated Russia which is increasingly surrounded by NATO/USA forces.


1. Russia should heavily and seriously invest in Syrian defenses, especially air-defenses with M-Tor, S-300, S-400 SAMs, and AA systems with Russian military personnel.....40,000. If war starts it will be good practice for the Russians, and they will see if their equipment work or not against Western military systems.

2. Closer military cooperation with Iran; joint military exercises, greater production facilities given to Iran.....and of course obviously supply of SAMs and AA to Iran on a NON-COMMERCIAL BASIS in significant numbers.

NATO/USA do not charge the Libyans when they attacked Libya. It was a strategic decision, and not merely a commercial one. The same with the attack against Serbia, Bosnia, Iraq and Afghanistan. And so Russia must supply weapons to the necessary theaters without any commercial consideration. Russia after 1991 was totally blocked out from Iraq anyway.


Warns it will not tolerate western powers crossing a “red line”

Paul Joseph Watson at Infowars.com

S-300 Missile

We now know what those six Russian warships that reportedly entered Syrian territorial waters last week were carrying. Aside from representing a show of strength to discourage NATO powers from launching a military attack, on board were Russian technical experts ready to help Damascus set up a sophisticated missile defense system sold to them by Moscow.

“Russian warships that have reached waters off Syria in recent days were carrying, among other things, Russian technical advisors who will help the Syrians set up an array of S-300 missiles Damascus has received in recent weeks, a report in the London-based Arabic language Al Quds-Al Arabi said Thursday. Citing sources in Syria and Russia, the paper said that Moscow sees a Western attack on Syria as a “red line” that it will not tolerate,” reports Arutz Sheva.

The S-300 missiles, which according to the report will be used to “deflect a possible attack by NATO or the U.S. and EU,” are long range surface-to-air missiles developed by Russia in 1979 for the purpose of protecting large industrial and military bases from enemy attack aircraft and cruise missiles.

The system is widely regarded as one of the most powerful anti-aircraft arrays in modern warfare, having the ability to track up to 100 targets and engage 12 at any one time. Russia recently tried to sell the same system to Iran but the transaction was halted after pressure from the U.S. and Israel.

Arming Syria with such a proficient means of aerial defense would obviously not bode well for any prospective “no fly zone” being planned by western powers. Reports have been circulating this week that fighter jets from Turkey and other Arab states would soon enter Syrian airspace under “humanitarian” pretenses with logistical aid from the United States.

“Along with the missiles, the report says that Russia has installed advanced radar systems in all key Syrian military and industrial installations. The radar system also covers areas north and south of Syria, where it will be able to detect movement of troops or aircraft towards the Syrian border. The radar targets include much of Israel, as well as the Incirlik military base in Turkey, which is used by NATO,” states the report.

French foreign minister Alain Juppé yesterday assured Syrian opposition forces that NATO powers are planning to launch a military intervention by imposing “humanitarian corridors or humanitarian zones” in the name of protecting civilians from the alleged abuses of the al-Assad regime.

The prospect of air strikes being launched under a “humanitarian” banner are seen as increasingly likely given the fact that the aircraft carrier George H.W. Bush has been moved to the Syrian coast in recent days having left its traditional theater of operations just off the Straits of Hormuz.

Tensions also escalated yesterday after the U.S. Embassy in Damascus urged its citizens to leave Syria “immediately,” while Turkey’s foreign ministry told its citizens to avoid traveling through the country on their return home from Saudi Arabia.

As we have previously noted, attacking Syria could merely be an entrée for an assault on Iran because Tehran has promised to defend its ally.


The Soviet/Nazi abyss of the USA

Before the Soviet Union commenced slaughtering directly and indirectly 70 million people within its borders between 1918--1991 (Alexander Solzhenitsyn) The Jewish Bolsheviks set up a police state, par excellence run by their people whose leaders professed love for all working mankind. The Jewish paradox/Joke being that the Soviet killed mostly working class people.

Before the Nazis slaughtered 58 million people directly and indirectly through WWII, they gradually built up a police state par excellence. The Jewish paradox and joke being that they destroyed the German state into occupation permanently, and the death of 10 million ethnic Germans in Eurasia.

Many in the Jewish elite of the USA, secretly admire Nazi Germany, the vile entity which they funded, and supplied through Sweden into 1945. Especially the Jews with WASPISH appearance and false schizophrenic consciousness.....Im a Jew, Im white and Aryan, No I'm a Jew, no I'm an Aryan with an Anglo name.......Im a Jew, Im white and Aryan, No I'm a Jew, no I'm an Aryan with an Anglo name..............the quija broad tells no lies.....the soothsayer tells no lies.

The USA too is gradually being turned into a police state at permanent war as with the Bolsheviks and the Nazis. American gulags have been set up which can hold 10-20 million people. Dissident lists have been established by the FBI, and files on 20 million Americans has been established. Mass arrest operations have been carried out such as "Operation Falcon" in 2008.

The Homeland Security Department, modeled on its Nazi German namesake equivalent was even advised privately by non-other than Markus Wolf, the notorious German Jew who ran the East German State, and Stasi intelligence service, and Yevgeny Primakov former head of the KGB. The only conclusion one can draw is the drive to establish an unquestioning police state at permanent war within the USA is a Jew design, by a few Jews at the top. (read previous post).

Before the full extent of this elite NY Jew horror is unleashed on an unsuspecting USA, the good American people must "struggle" against such an eventuality, and thus save mankind from utter destruction.

Many Jews died in the Soviet Union. Many Jews died in WWII. So if a few Jews sincerely refuse the call of the tribal elders and follow and hedge their bets with the rest of humanity, then it is all good.


Scott Horton Interviews Will Grigg

Scott Horton at antiwar.com

Will Grigg, blogger and author of Liberty in Eclipse, discusses his article “Support Your Local Police State;” the history and evolution of policing in the Western world; how grand juries have changed from being tools for citizens investigating government crimes, into the playthings of prosecutors; why mall cops deserve more respect than their government employed counterparts; the difference between a law enforcement officer and a peace officer; and how Occupy Wall Street protesters are treated like “disruptive” Guantanamo prisoners.

MP3 here.

Will Grigg writes the blog Pro Libertate and is the author of Liberty in Eclipse.

Seymour Hersh expose.


Scott Horton Interviews Seymour Hersh

Scott Horton, at antiwar.com

Seymour Hersh, award winning investigative reporter for The New Yorker magazine, discusses his article “Iran and the I.A.E.A.;” how extensive CIA/JSOC espionage (and perhaps assassination and sabotage) in Iran failed to find any evidence of a clandestine nuclear weapons program; why Iran’s interest in nukes prior to 2003 was to hedge against an Iraqi weapon; the new IAEA Director General Yukiya Amano, who has no problem regurgitating old innuendo to make a case for war; and why the bluster coming out of Israel exists mostly at the top, since common sense attitudes about Iran are common in lower ranks of the military and Mossad.

MP3 here.

Seymour M. Hersh wrote his first piece for The New Yorker in 1971 and has been a regular contributor to the magazine since 1993. His journalism and publishing awards include a Pulitzer Prize, five George Polk Awards, two National Magazine Awards, and more than a dozen other prizes for investigative reporting. As a staff writer, Hersh won a National Magazine Award for Public Interest for his 2003 articles “Lunch with the Chairman,” “Selective Intelligence,” and “The Stovepipe.” In 2004, Hersh exposed the Abu Ghraib prison scandal in a series of pieces in the magazine; in 2005, he again received a National Magazine Award for Public Interest, an Overseas Press Club award, the National Press Foundation’s Kiplinger Distinguished Contributions to Journalism award, and his fifth George Polk Award, making him that award’s most honored laureate.


Zardari has to go.

Its no good.

Zardari has to go.

He is an utter failure as President.

Two years of more disasters from him is highly undesirable for Pakistan. How much more can the country endure?

Zardari is crap. He should retire, prance the world and enjoy his looted $4 billion from Pakistan in the casino's of the West and Las Vegas with his various gora friends.

But Zardari bhen did the country a BIG favor in highlighting the impossibility of civilian governments working with the Pakistan military......co-existence with the Pakistan military is neigh on impossible. So the Pakistan military has to be dealt with decisively by the next government.

Zardari in writing the "Memo" also highlighted the importance, influence and role of the Pentagon in running Pakistan. Zardari knows this fact.

Zardari should retire soon from power and make the wise choice of enjoying his loot money. My guess is 90% of Pakistanis hate him, despite the red carpet treatment mete out to him by Western governments.


Pentagon Defends Zardari in ‘Coup Memo’ Scandal

Insists 'No Evidence' Zardari Was Involved in Attempt to Move Against Military

by Jason Ditz, antiwar.com

Faced with a massive political scandal surrounding his reported involvement in the “coup memo,” Pakistani President Asif Ali Zardari got “help” from an unlikely, and likely unwelcome source, the Pentagon.

Pentagon spokesman John Kirby insisted that the moves against Zardari over the memo were unfair because there was no “credible evidence” that Zardari had been personally involved in sending the memo to Admiral Michael Mullen.

The memo, which was addressed as from Zardari, urged Mullen to use the US military to help him attack members of the Pakistani military’s leadership and promised to replace them with new leaders who were more friendly to US military interests.

The memo was delivered by a private Pakistani-American citizen, who said it was dictator to him by Ambassador Husain Haqqani. Haqqani has been recalled by Pakistan’s parliament to explain his involvement, and has offered to resign.

Key opposition leader Sardar Ayaz Sadiq rejected claims from the ruling party that the memo is a conspiracy against Zardari, saying that it is real and needs to be investigated at the highest levels.


So the Abbottabad raid was a soft coup?


India resigned to working with civilian government in Pakistan

By Indra Bagchi of the TOI.

As the internal crisis worsens in Pakistan, government sources say that though the standoff between the army and the civilian leadership could affect the peace process with India, India is resigned to working with the regime in Islamabad.

Pakistani president Asif Zardari's "memo" to a former top US military official seeking protection against a feared army coup after the raid to kill Al Qaida chief Osama bin Laden saw ISI chief Shuja Pasha going to London to meet a Pakistani-American businessman who deliver
ed the communication.

(So the Abbottabad raid and the "Memo" were ploys by the military to oust Zardari? Why use such convoluted gay methods of getting rid of the crook, liar and incompetent leadership of Zardari? Why not organize a vote of no confidence in parliament against the Zardari government and there after elections? This at least is honest and true.The false Abbottabad raid brought shame on Pakistan and the Pakistani military.....the memo is not good for Pakistan either because it shows the political leaders to be very treasonous for the sake of saving their own political bacon)

The memo has agitated government-army faultlines after businessman Mansoor Ijaz reportedly carried the letter to Admiral Mike Mullen at the behest of Pakistan's US ambassador Hussain Haqqani in which Zardari promised to cut the Pakistan army and ISI to size after the Osama killing.

The move to dispatch the ISI chief was interpreted in India as an attempt by the Pakistan army to see the back of Zardari. It put into question Pakistan PM Yousuf Raza Gilani's assertion to PM Manmohan Singh that the army had signed on to the peace moves as fresh turmoil may make this no longer hold valid.

Indian officials say Pakistan has also hardened positions on Afghanistan. It has dispensed with the promise of going after the Taliban on its side of the border.

In the past few weeks too, Indian officials have noted the army and it's supporters - Jamaat-e-Islami, Shah Mahmood Qureshi and some members of the Musharraf-promoted PML (Q) joining forces with Imran Khan, who appears to be the army's new favorite.

There are questions over whether this can be the beginning of a coup but Indian analysts believe this may be far-benched at present. The international environment is less forgiving of a coup in Pakistan than ever before, and the Pakistan army is well aware of it.

"The environment is very different from 1999 when Musharraf conducted his coup," sources said. The Pakistan army and ISI are both suffering an unprecedented crisis of confidence and credibility both within the country and outside.

Third, the judiciary is no longer a pliant institution to play rubber stamp.

Besides, it will be a lot more difficult to set aside two mass-based parties like PPP and PML(N) to install a relatively marginal party like Imran Khan's Tehreek-e-Insaaf.

(The Punjabi run TI has got to be better than the current PPP non-government surely, even though the leader of the Insaf is an ex-playboy sportsman with an ex-Jewish wife with 2 Jewish sons (under Jewish law...aka David Headley). Throughout history "came from nowhere parties" have usurped power usually with the help of hidden hands, including the Times of India's favorite Party the RSS allied and mentored BJP which had for many decades 2 seats or there abouts and then suddenly with carefully orchestrated Communal stunts came to power on a populist ticket, with the help of the media.....not unlike the Nazis in Germany created in 1919 by German Intelligence, funded by International Jewish banks and came to power in 1933, ditto Mussolini funded by London, and the Jewish Young Turks funded by London again. Or if you like the more spectacular recent examples the TNC of Libya allied to "al-Qaeda" backed by Western Intelligence and NATO airpower..........and so on....Taliban in Afghanistan 1994, didn't exist...1996 running Kabul thanks to the CIA......Mullahs nowhere in 1978.....coming to power in 1979 thanks to Western Intelligence)

Notwithstanding these calculations, things in Pakistan remain fluid and instability is going to be a feature for some time to come.

"We do what we have to do with Pakistan, and in Afghanistan." said government sources. The primary problem, as the prime minister has repeatedly told Parliament is, there is no longer a single Pakistan for India to engage with. In the circumstances, the relationship too will remain uncertain.

(Thats rather pessimistic given the full spectrum of Indo-Pak relations since 1947.

Negotiations with Pakistan is a PROCESS, which is on-going and should be on-going regardless of the internal dynamics of the failed state number 10.....what were we expecting? Every little gain, such as offering the MFN status to India is a bonus...and so forth.

There are various power structures in Pakistan something the Indians must be aware of already:

1. The old power structure of the Tamindars/Zamindars...500 families, left over from the colonial era...Gilani/Bhutto's. Emotionally attached to the UK, where they send their children for education top-up.

2. 30 odd commercial families who have made it big through "Business" in Pakistan .....Nawaz Sharif and family.

3. The military, the most powerful group controlling foreign policy and security and much else, trying forever to wrong foot the civilian government. India should try and open direct channels of communications with them, soldier to soldier via the Indian military high command, regularly...bi-yearly, face to face. Rather than the stale staid civilian to civilian approach. This has been the American strategy via the Pentagon, hence the "Memo".

4. The Americans. Massive bribery of the Pakistani State...the military, ISI and the civilian government.

5. The Chinese. Massive investments into the countries infrastructure and strategic projects.

6. The British......operating through possibly the urban middle class and the TI party of Imran Khan, and elements of the military. Musharaf and even Sharif.

7. Saudi Arabia. Fundamentalist network, Islamic charties.

India has less influence than any of these groups mentioned above but I would like to think India potentially for a variety of factors is in a very strong position.

This is a result of the poor QUALITY/EFFORTS/STRATEGY of Indian foreign policy generally for 64 years, in Pakistan.)


Zero American presence in Afghanistan

The American record in Afghanistan has not been good for 32 years, starting from July 1979, when the go ahead was given to fund extremist Islamists to fight the Communist government in Kabul, via Pakistan.

Then the switch to supporting and creating the Taliban from 1994, via Pakistan.

Then the invasion of the country using a false flag operation in 9/11 2001.

Then converting the whole country into one vast opium plantation for the banks of London and New York, and exporting the opium to many countries and continents affecting millions.

Then using the country as a super-base for covert ops in Pakistan, Iran, China and Central Asia.

Naturally NO-GOOD comes from the American presence in Afghanistan, ALL means must be marshaled to persuade the Americans to leave the medieval, and otherwise isolated country completely......with nothing left behind, including any embassy, or American NGO's, or the Peace Corps.

American puppets of Afghanistan cannot decide the destiny of the country, on the payroll of the CIA and drugs money.

There is no other option.


Russia against US bases in Afghanistan

Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov
Russia has voiced strong opposition to the US military presence in Afghanistan and Washington’s plans to set up large military bases in the Asian country.

By therearenosunglasses.com and Presstv.com

Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov on Thursday expressed Moscow’s disapproval of the permanent deployment of United States military bases in Afghanistan and in Central Asia, Xinhua news agency reported.

“We do not understand how the proposed withdrawal of coalition forces from Afghanistan squares with US plans to set up major military bases in Afghanistan,” Lavrov said.

The senior Russian official noted that Moscow has discussed the issue with Afghan and US authorities, but “there are more questions than answers so far.”

“Moreover, information comes in periodically that our American colleagues want to expand their military presence in Central Asia,” Lavrov noted.

Meanwhile, loya jirga spokeswoman Safia Sediqi said on Thursday that Washington wants a complete media blackout over the conditions set in its strategic long-term deal with Kabul.

The loya jirga, called by President Hamid Karzai, kicked off in the Afghan capital Kabul on Wednesday. The four-day traditional gathering discusses Afghanistan’s relationship with the United States, and is mainly centered on long-term US bases in Afghanistan after US-led foreign troops withdraw in 2014.

Afghan religious and political figures have voiced strong opposition to US plans to set up long-term or permanent military bases in the war-torn country.

The United States has failed to achieve its goals after 10 years of war in Afghanistan. Many parts of the Asian country still remain insecure despite the presence of nearly 150,000 US-led foreign forces there.

Experts believe Washington’s new strategy of establishing long-term military bases will only serve to raise anti-US sentiment among Afghans and neighboring countries.

Afghan people are against the plan, dismissing it as a ploy for indefinite neo-colonial occupation.

Libya Weekend gossip.

I suppose the same "System" or "Game" applies to Nazi Germany 1933--1945......Western covert funding, and Hitler doubles and ruinous wars...."Operation paperclip" with Nazis being shipped to the USA and South America, and the USA/UK presented as the shining cavalry to the rescue.

Ditto Soviet Union 1918--1991.........anywhere else?



Mystery man Gaddafi - Website for this image.

The CIA and its friends controlled many people in Gaddafi's Libya.

From The Africa Report (Libya: Who owns the revolution? - The Africa Report):

The CIA's clandestine supporters made it easy for NATO to take over Tripoli.

"According to Brigadier General Abdulsalam Alhasi, who commanded the rebel's headquarters in Benghazi, the role of the clandestine supporters - soldiers, policemen, intelligence officers and even ministers who had been working for Gaddafi - was critical in taking Tripoli."

In other words, it wasn't just Gaddafi, or his double, who had worked for the CIA and MI6. (Was Britain Behind Gadaffi's Coup in 1969?)

The CIA's Marty Martin, who had a plan for Gaddafi to leave Libya, reportedly.

The CIA's Marty Martin led the CIA's Qaeda department from 2002 to 2004

The CIA's Marty Martin was part of a US group that offered Gaddafi a $10m deal to flee Libya

The group included a Belgian named Dirk Borgers, Neil C Livingstone a terrorism specialist who wants to be governor of Montana, Neil S. Alpert who has worked for the Republican National Committee and the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, and Randell K. Wood, a Kansas City lawyer.



The CIA put Nasser into power in Egypt;

and put Saddam into power in Iraq;

and put the Ayatollahs into power in Iran. (

There is a belief that it was the CIA and Britain's MI6 who put Gaddafi into power in 1969.

According to the article entitled: Was Britain Behind Gadaffi's Coup in 1969?:

A secret 1960 US National Security Council Report explained: "There is little loyalty to him (British puppet King Idris) among the younger urban elements who do not have significant political power now, but who will have such power in the future."

The US and UK needed a replacement for King Idris and apparently chose Gaddafi.

In 1965, Britain's Colonel Ted Lough reportedly made a series of reports on Gadaffi for British intelligence.

In 1966, Gaddafi spent four months in Britain, training with the British military.

In 1969, Gaddafi carried out a peaceful coup, apparently with the blessing of the USA and UK.

Gaddafi turned Libya from being the poorest country in the world into being the most prosperous country in Africa.

But, he did not always cooperate with his CIA backers.

Sirte in Libya

Libya is now in a ruinous state, according to the Financial Times, 18 November 2011 - FT.com

According to the Financial Times:

1. Rubbish now rots on streets.

2. Revolutionary militia are still on the streets.

3. According to Mahmoud Jibril, the outgoing provisional prime minister, the companies driven out by the war "don’t feel a sense of security and they use it as an excuse not to come back".

" The few representatives of oil companies and banks that have visited have departed hastily because of worries over security and a lack of a stable, legitimate government with the authority to set the country’s course."

4. "The expensive Great Manmade River system, which pumps fresh water from the desert to the cities, has dangerously depleted reservoirs in the country’s south."

5. Libya has more oil than any other country in Africa.

"Oil is also one sector that may be sewn up for now by companies that have been in Libya for years, such as Halliburton and Baker Hughes of the US, Total of France and Italy’s Eni."

6. During the first thirty years of Gaddafi’s rule, Gaddafi poured money into training doctors and building hospitals.

A western diplomat said: "They have very good doctors and medical facilities..."

Abdullah Naker and Abdel Hakim Belhadj are rival military commanders in Tripoli.

"Naker's men say Belhadj did not fight on the front lines during the war...

"Naker claims he has up to 20,000 fighters and rejects a role for Belhadj in the new government."

Naker "has warned that his men could overthrow the incoming government." (Rival Libyan rebel commanders beat chests)

Gaddafi was not all bad.

British economic journalists David Blundy and Andrew Lycett observed the following about LIBYA under Gaddafi:

"The young people are well dressed, well fed and well educated.

"Libyans now earn more per capita than the British.

"The disparity in annual incomes… is smaller than in most countries.

"Libya's wealth has been fairly spread throughout society.

"Every Libyan gets free, and often excellent, education, medical and health services.

"New colleges and hospitals are impressive by any international standard.

"All Libyans have a house or a flat, a car and most have televisions, video recorders and telephones.

"Compared with most citizens of the Third World countries, and with many in the First World, Libyans have it very good indeed."