Pessimism will get America and the Democrats nowhere.

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An insightful, some what frustrated, pessimistic, impatient article by Professor Dave Green, outta Noo Yawk.
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He is of course quite right that Obama is in danger of being the night watchman, during whose reign the Second Great Depression is ushered in, and thus his administration becomes a motionless dud presidency "fixed"policy wise by economic decline, and he leaves office with an unnoticeable legislative whimper; a one term wonder, all smiles or maybe not later, filled with cross-party compromise/surrender; the uniqueness/novelty of being a black presidency, with a Nobel Peace prize; with on-going wars and not much else. Then a rabid mother of all right wing government comes into power in 2012, under Chilling moose Sarah Palin..........and civilization as we know it ends.......Jesus does a second coming ......read the book.........seen the play.......and the movie.
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But realistically he has only been in power for just over 8 months, so lets give him a few more months to up his game for America and the world, which presumably the Nobel Peace Prize was trying to nudge him to do for the international community.
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In understanding American politics, or Western politics generally, one must grasp Israeli politics first, which has shifted markedly to the extreme right lead by the Likud Party. Jewish intellectual thinking especially in Western countries lead by this particular tribal urge from Israel, and the Likud Party, with its fronts and Think Tanks in the West, have made an aggressive assault on the fundamental political thinking of Western societies through various ideological vehicles such as Monetarism, Reagan economics, Neocons........and so forth, dominated all by Jewish intellectuals.
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You can have good governments both from the center-left and the center-right, it does not matter, as long as the leaders of such parties surrounded by good team players have the right mix of policies which are implemented judiciously, through the national legislature, purely with the interests of the country in which they serve in mind.
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The problem starts when you have pseudo-Fascists junta's installed at Israel's/Likud's behest in sophisticated Western societies; then what you have is the inevitable disconnect.......the peculiar bizzare BS from the figurehead Israeli card board cut out fronts trying to fit the Israeli centric policies into the domestic square pegs..........Bush II America; Silvio Berlesconi Italy; José Maria Aznar/ Spain; Sarkozy/France. In many respects NOT REAL political leaders of sophisticated Western countries, but circus clowns with the ensuing theatrics.
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But why is Israel Fascist/Nazi orientated, aren't they supposed to be kosher Jews given sanctuary on Palestinian land to appease "Western guilt"?
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The reason is simple. In many societies it is the extremist/zealot who is more vociferous and assertive, and consequently it is their agenda which dominates the political plain. In the case of Israel perhaps only 30% of Israelis are true Likudniks, but their aggressive political campaigning means that invariably it is their agenda which usually dominates the political discourse in Israel. It is more than likely that the majority of Israelis want PEACE and ENGAGEMENT with the Palestinians (70%). Israelis like all humans are normal people who enjoy going to beaches for a party, or at home enjoying the intimate company of friends and family, over dinner, the simple basic pleasures of life.
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HOWEVER, the Likud minority do not wish this. They dream of Eretz Israel; an Israel which is ethnically/racially jackboot pure; an Israel which is a superpower, surrounded by dismembered Arab states, which fear Israel and bow to it. Whilst the Israeli military reminds them continually who is master in the region, frequently,viciously with impunity. These Likudnik "FANTASY DREAMS" cannot be achieved through traditional "Kibbutzim Socialism", and so Israel's fundamental ideological base must be redefined, markedly to the right....far xenophobic rabid right....which then absolves you of genocide, mass murder, colonialism, continued illegal wars.......at least to yourself, and your conscience. After that all you do is go to your local Synagogue and the Rabbi blesses you...and its ALL back to normal.
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This long process started during the 1970's in Israel, and the UK and USA in the 1980's, consequentially linked a little later. Sir Keith Joseph the ideological mentor of Thatcher in Britain in the Conservative party, and in America numerous Jewish intellectuals, such as Milton Friedman, under the Ronald Reagan administration,starting preaching from the early eighties. The Neocons changed their political colors from a Jewish Trotskyite group based in America into a hardline Israeli Likud linked front more recently.
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In addition Israel is a tiny country of little over 5 million Jews, and there is only so much it can do, surviving on American largess, and significant donations from global Jewry. For it to realize its Likudnik "DREAMS and FANTASY" of empire, it has to exert control over, domination and direction of key Western nations acting as its proxies.........USA/UK being foremost......France, Germany, Spain, Holland and so forth.....this means dominating the political/ideological debate in those countries so that they do the bidding of Likud Israel.
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This is significantly assisted by the fake narrative of "al-Qaeda" and the open ended GWOT,which is purely a Israeli manufactured fake war.........and a civilisational conflict with Islam......."Israel's enemies are the Wests enemies"........which is of course not the reality; The rulers and elites of the 57 Muslim majority countries are allies and usually always puppets of the West, and not life threatening enemies........Libya and Iran are installed puppet regimes which have been in power unmolested mostly for 40/30 years respectfully...allowed to exist as boogie boogie scarecrow regimes.
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Finally the Zionist media in the West, with channels such as "FUCK THE NEWS", Washington Post, NY Times, CBS, ABC and CNN setting the debate and agenda of Israel...........Israel would like to buy the British run Al-Jazeera, just to make sure its message is also beamed to the docile Arab people.
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In such a scenario Professor David Green........evolving over 30 years by Jews with power, patronage, money, criminal intent, greed, the male ego.....militarism..........thoughts of "survival through expansion" ....for Israel to "survive" it must wage perpetual war...........Obama surrounded by Jews from Israel or otherwise (Axelrod/Immanuel)....has his work cut out facing and opposing the extremist right-wing "surge" from Israel which has been on-going for well over 30 years, AND in addition the strength of the Israeli lobby which follows Israel's dictates, AND finally and decisively the Zionist media in America.
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You need to be a unique individual, and an unique administration to go against such a trend, and thus:

• EITHER, Obama's administration is a card board cut out non-government for 4 years..."Oh look everybody he is black, with a Muslim name as President of America".......Global audience.."Aaaaaawwwwwwww....shucks.....how marvelous............AND, AND , AND", a time filler administration which becomes the fall guy for the next American depression starting in 2010 (a general recession is not inevitable in the USA).........gracefully/obediently ushering in a rabid right-wing government after him in 2012.
• OR, Obama institutes comprehensive policies in both the domestic and foreign policy arena which serves/saves America exclusively, against the dictates of Likud Israel from the background, and which allow's him to serve a second term.

It goes without saying that courage and imagination is required to achieve the second option.

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"Barry In The Bush With Smiles"

By David Michael Green. October 09, 2009 "Information Clearing House"

-- It takes a real artist to render a crushing majority into a hapless political object.

(After being nominated as the Democrat presidential candidate in 2008, presumably the entire party has accepted him as unquestioned dear leader, and that he has attempted to reinforce this with employment for Hilary in key policy posts....amongst others....so he has no worries about his party supporting his policy agenda's as their dear leader. So why this need to reach out to Republicans?.......Is this a style thang?....Is it bearing fruit? )

And Barack Obama is a real artist.

He’s had quite an impressive week. At least for an anvil.

Here’s one New York Times headline, regarding the Olympics debacle: “Chicago Is Rejected in First Round of Voting”. Impressive.

(Not a big deal, unless you are a real Obama hater, out to nitpick.....High time South America was given a chance to stage the Olympics........and the corrupt prone Olympic Committee decided as much. NOT a snub against Obama....just cus an American President makes a presentation/pitch to the IOC that should not automatically entitle America hosting the Olympics)

Here’s another: “Jobless Report Is Worse Than Expected; Rate Rises to 9.8%”. Can you say “Bye-bye, Barack”?

(Cut him some slack dude..........he has been in power for little over 8 months. It would be more accurate to say that the current dismal employment figures are the result of the mismanagement and criminality of Bush II, over 8 years)

Ah, but he was actually just warming up. David Paterson, the governor of New York, bitch-slapped the president for being stupid enough to lean on Paterson to get out of the 2010 race. Paterson is a disaster as governor, and Obama is worried that he’ll drag down the Democratic ticket, lowering the president’s majorities in Congress.

(Exercising his power and authority within his party....and signaling to others in the party that such behavior/standards will not be tolerated)

The first problem with that calculus is that there are fifty states in the union, notwithstanding the natural arrogance of New Yorkers who tend to think they own the planet. The Democratic Party’s problems are far bigger than New York. They begin on one end of Pennsylvania Avenue, and end on the other. As usual, most voters will be using the mid-term elections as a gut-check on their feelings about the current government. If the inept, cowardly and inert Mr. Obama needs someone to resign in order to save the party, that dude in the mirror with the big ol’ grin would be the most efficacious choice. Charlie Cook is now giving the Democrats only a fifty-fifty chance of retaining their majority in the House, which is now a whopping 79 seats. Man, you have to really work at it to blow something that badly in nine months time.

(Rather harsh......lets see what Obama does in the key domestic and foreign policy issues over the next few months, BEFORE the mid-term elections in 2010.......ONLY by then if he loses badly, and he hasn't made any fundamental policy changes which are clearly distinct from the BUSH II junta (where we know he could have made a difference, and had the capacity to do so, but deliberately stalled) can we begin to call him a dud presidency.......just another Jew front........blah blah blah.......a night watchman......before the Jew institutes a real fascist state in America in 2012 for Israel, under a loony right wing fruit cake.)

The second problem with asking Paterson to step out of the race to save Democratic majorities in Congress is that Obama has them already, in lopsided amounts, and he’s not doing a damn thing with them. Instead of kicking some butt to line his own caucuses up and forcing them to pass some real serious legislation that the president demands (see Bush, George W, for illustration. Also, Reagan, Ronald W.; Johnson, Lyndon B.; and Roosevelt, Franklin R.), this fool is doing deals with Republicans who are trying to destroy him, and the very predatory industries that are precisely the problem with American healthcare. I guess he must think that the GOP is just kidding. You know, like they were with Clinton. In any case, why worry about maintaining your majority if you have no intention of ever actually using it?

(In total agreement prof............could be to do with his age, inexperience...his feeling his way around in his new job, his racial background, dare I say it too dazed and grateful for being in the Whitehouse as a black guy. He really needs to implement his programs quickly, soon is not soon enough.......reverse the tax cuts to the rich; health care reform; Education reform and investment; Reform of the financial market; reform of the Byzantine American local and federal tax system; Immigration reform; pull troops out of Iraq and Afghanistan; get a grip on the REAL security budget of America, and cut it; Reform fundamentally the open free trade system of America....do you have something crap and third rate to sell? Then why not sell it to America?; Provides incentives for industry; reform the American media which is now effectively controlled by a few highly biased oligarchies linked to Jews; roll back the security police state instituted under Bush II....)

And the last reason that Obama is idiotic for meddling in state and local politics is because he was sent to Washington to save the country from the sixteen or so serious crises his predecessor bequeathed him, and about all he has going for him is the good will of the public who gave him the job. Spending your time dicking around with who should be the Democratic Party’s nominee for municipal dog-catcher is not exactly what people had in mind when they gave him this mandate. By going to Europe to beg for the Olympics, or by immersing himself in local politics, this chump is spending his political capital at a furious pace. It wouldn’t even be worth the effort if he was getting what he was asking for. But of course it’s far worse that both Paterson and the IOC slammed the door in his face, as publicly and as emphatically as imaginable. If Obama taped a “kick me” sign to his back, he could hardly signal any better his ineptitude and his willingness to get rolled at every conceivable opportunity.

(inexperience and his team?)

There’s more, of course. Another headline reports that “Panel Finishes Work on Health Bill Amendments”. The public option, already a weak sister to any real reform of the predatory wealth extraction system masquerading as national healthcare, was of course voted down by the Senate Finance Committee referred to in the title. Obama has yet to seriously weigh in on any preferences he might have. Apparently he is going to wait until the end of the legislation process. Assuming that he actually has any preferences – and I don’t, unless you count carrying water for corporate power and Wall Street – how astonishingly stupid is that as a strategy? After all the grief and months of effort Congress has gone through to maybe produce a bill, is it conceivable that they’d want to entertain some major new change at the last minute?

Then there’s Afghanistan, where the president has his own general running around painting him into a policy corner with only one option. Any military guy who tried that under Bush got summarily cashiered, even though they were actually telling the truth. You know, like maybe 160,000 GIs weren’t gonna be sufficient to occupy a country of 25 million pissed-off Iraqis. Say that and your career was over, Shinseki-style.

(Yes he needs to be more assertive with the military, and not be overawed by them. Either he cuts the military ops in Afghanistan and Iraq, which gives him loose change to finance his domestic programs....which avoids a recession.....which gives him a chance to be reelected in 2012, and not do badly in 2010......OR.....he substantively or wholly continues with BUSH II policies with marginal teflon tinkering on the periphery...with outlandish public debates dominated by "FUCK THE NEWS".....to give the impression he is actually doing something, when he actually is NOT)

Is anyone else sensing a pattern here?

(The "pattern' will be more patently obvious after the mid-term election results in 2010, and legislatively what he has actually achieved by then)

Obama would make a great nineteenth century president. You know, all those guys with names you can never remember, because they pretty much didn’t really do anything? Back in those days, Congress was king, and presidents – except during wartime – were essentially glorified clerks, executing the Congressional will, as per their Constitutional duty. That’s certainly one way to do it. It’s just that it pretty much isn’t what people have come to want and expect for the last century or so. And it sure as hell isn’t what Obama promised in the election.

(he would look out of place as a "nigger".........Seriously prof. the "decline" in the American constitutional set-up...over 100 years...distinctly beginning with Crypto-Jew Teddy Roosevelt embarking on the American quest for empire from 1898, and the subsequent inevitable road to imperial presidencies can't be blamed on Obama surely. Obama can chip away against that in his little way by disengaging from Afghanistan and Iraq, which he has the authority and choice to do)

But he has really specialized in being an acted-upon object, rather than a political protagonist, despite possessing the most powerful position in the world, commanding majorities in Congress, an initially adoring public wishing him tons of good will, and all manner of crises to warrant if not demand bold action. In his reticence he is not only carrying forward a fine Democratic Party tradition of recent decades, but in fact refining it into an art form. The pattern works like this: Republicans charge like bulls through china shops and grab the mantle of power, proceeding then to ram their program through, no matter the casualties. When they reach levels of greed, corruption and failure so excessive that even comatose Americans can no longer stand it, some effete Democratic stooge named Carter or Clinton or Obama is called in to hold down the fort long enough for the regressives to regroup and start the cycle again. But Obama in action – better rendered as ‘Obama’s inaction’ – makes Clinton look like a litter full of Mike Tysons crammed into an overheated pressure chamber by comparison.

(Beautiful......Democrats Presidents are angels hey? Carter.......Toppled the Shah of Iran 1979, and what the human cost for Iran has been since; began funding Islamic fundies in Afghanistan via Pakistan from July 1979; Toppled the democratically elected Bhutto regime in Pakistan 1977; sanctioned mass slaughter in South Korea in 1980, under/through military rule; South America I'm sure he did some nasty unsavory things there too..........Clinton.....Iraq/sanctions 500,000 children dead; Kosovo.......)

It’s astonishing how Democrats can never seem to block anything the hard-right wants to do, even when they have majorities, while the GOP kills everything the Democrats supposedly want, even with minuscule minorities in Congress. Gee, one could almost get the impression that Democrats don’t really want anything much different from Republicans, but just have to adopt a different alt-persona to hide their intentions from the public. Republicans use guns, god, gays and Gaddafi as distractions from corporate looting. Democrats strap on their cardigan sweaters and try really, really hard to do something, but gosh-darned it, just never seem to get anywhere.

(Reduced to its basic terms the two American parties are run by Jews which are used to ridicule and fool gentile Americans into thinking that they have a real choice, and a measure of say in the running of their country........which is not the case. In that sense the right/left political paradigm over which the professor is fuming about is non existent/fake/pied piper bullshit......is illusion....the only political paradigm which matters in America is the Jewish one, and the needs of Israel....when that reality hits gentile Americans, there will be revolution, and hence the instituting of the American security police state under Bush.......which Obama has not touched, or talked about rolling back/addressing....not one Congress sub-committee has touched that very important area....simple question you know, do Americans want to live in a Jew run security police state or not?)

As for our friend Mr. Obama, he seems busy unlearning every lesson of the last three decades. He doesn’t appear worried that the right will challenge his legitimacy as president ‘cause, of course, they never did that to Carter or Clinton. He doesn’t seem worried that they’ll happily destroy the country if necessary in order to wreck his presidency because, of course, there’s little precedent for that. He doesn’t much care to use the bully pulpit and strong-arm Congress to get what he wants because, of course, that never got Reagan or Bush anywhere.

(Jews operating in the Republican and Democratic party, in Wall Street, in the media could wreck the USA if they are allowed to..........They almost destroyed the $ in August/September 2008 before the emergency team in the BUSH II administration stepped in..........not many Americans are aware of this episode.The Democrats also play a vital enabler role to so called Republican bad guys.....its a elaborate Jew run double act/vaudeville )

I can’t believe I’d ever say this, but the question Obama should be asking right about now, is “What would Bush do?”

I’ll tell ya what. He’d jam his legislation down the throats of the other party, putting the fear of god in them if they dared to oppose the emperor. He’s rip people’s lungs out and stuff them back through their eye sockets if they looked at him cross-eyed. He’d lie to members of his own party and carpet bomb their entire home neighborhoods if they dared vote against him. If any media talking head didn’t tell the lies they were programmed to speak, he’d kidnap their kids and send them to Gitmo, treating them a good waterboarding for every one of their birthdays. And, he’d call in Rove to stomp some people good, the nice Republican way.

(Surely professor you are not seriously suggesting that the Barack Obama administration adopt the style and fashion of the criminally inept administration of Bush II;Katrina and all that; one of the worst in American history...........Having pure political convictions which have evolved over years of meditation and self learning, AND the requisite personal zeal to implement them onto the nation is one thing; working through the correct legal channels, and constitutional channels....HOWEVER using FALSE FLAG OPS IN AMERICA, and Mafia style MO in all areas to institute ones fundamental political objectives in the service of Likud Israel must be deemed ultimately as political "failure" and a moral "failure")

What would that look like? Here’s journalist Ron Suskind relating an inside taste of what he observed while waiting outside the Ol’ Karl’s office for an interview, back when he was running the White House political operation: “Rove was talking to an aide about some political stratagem in some state that had gone awry and a political operative who had displeased him. I paid it no mind and reviewed a jotted list of questions I hoped to ask. But after a moment, it was like ignoring a tornado flinging parked cars. ‘We will fuck him. Do you hear me? We will fuck him. We will ruin him. Like no one has ever fucked him!’ As a reporter, you get around—curse words, anger, passionate intensity are not notable events—but the ferocity, the bellicosity, the violent imputations were, well, shocking. This went on without a break for a minute or two. Then the aide slipped out looking a bit ashen, and Rove, his face ruddy from the exertions of the past few moments, looked at me and smiled a gentle, Clarence-the-Angel smile. ‘Come on in.’ And I did. And we had the most amiable chat for a half hour.”

(Yes I think American popular culture has glorified the MAFIA somewhat. When you are running a vast sophisticated 21st century modern country, working through the accepted channels is the best and only option...........if the actions of the Bush administration is exposed as criminal, then Rove would be termed a failure, and not an object lesson on how to get things done.)

Why won’t Obama do this? Why won’t he unleash all the powers at his disposal, knock heads together, and smash political opponents to smithereens in order to get his way? Two reasons. First, he wasn’t a complete personal screw-up for the last half century, acknowledged even by his own parents to be a total embarrassment. He therefore doesn’t have the burning need to show the world they’ve been wrong about him his whole life, like a certain other fellow recently seen roaming the halls of the West Wing.

The other reason is that Obama doesn’t actually appear to be doing anything that requires any particular toughness. He’s not trying to sell a bullshit war or dismantle Social Security, like Bush. He’s not trying to end legal and institutional racism in a country where it was as pervasive as bibles in ‘Bama, like Lyndon Johnson did. He’s not attempting to bring the country kicking and screaming into the twentieth century, even after it was already one-third over, like FDR was.

In fact, he doesn’t really appear to be doing much of anything, including producing the much-vaunted ‘change’ we heard endlessly about during last year’s campaign. Unless, of course, you count the nice demeanor with which he continues the predatory policies of Reagan, Clinton, and the Bushes. This is essentially George W. Bush’s third term. It’s Barry in the Bush with Smiles.

Obama more or less just seems to want to hang for a while, passively swaying in whatever winds happen to be blowing through at the moment. That might have worked in the 1950s, or even the 1970s, but not today. The brownshirts of the American right have been playing for keeps for some time now. And, while it’s true that they can be their own worst enemy in normal times, these are hardly normal times. Failing to address the real economic pain people are feeling, failing to provide remotely meaningful healthcare reform, failing to clean-up the corporate predators slamming the public with bad mortgages, sky-high credit card interest rates and bailouts of the already rich – all of these are an invitation for some change Obama can believe in, especially in 2012. If he insists on being a political object, the right will gladly turn him into one. It will be a freakin’ anvil too, not the fifth face on Mount Rushmore.

This is not kid’s stuff. These mobsters are possessed of insatiable greed, and they are clever beyond belief at mobilizing the anxieties and inadequacies of a public already dumbed-down to a level of political immaturity that can barely keep pace with the amped-up fires of their personal rage to which it’s dangerously coupled. How many re-run episodes of this mini-series do we need to see before we get clear on how it turns out?

The right is wrong on nearly everything, of course – the elites because they lie, and the shock troops because they’re frightened of their own shadows and therefore find blessed relief in every possible palliative from the pope to Palin. But they are correct about Obama being a complete patsy. They like to bring that up in the foreign policy context, because it’s good for scaring voters, and because it doesn’t remind moderates of just who is actually rolling this punk here at home (a very fine example of which was provided by the cheers that went up from our nice super-patriots when America lost the Olympics bid). But the truth is that a movement that should have been discredited to the point of annihilation by its very own actions is now instead setting the agenda in Washington, and the guy who won the landslide seems busy trying to push the mud back up the hill so that he can be buried by it himself, instead of the people who pretty much literally want to kill him.

(Yes, agreed Obama will need to make his choices soon, and quickly..........being a passive night watchman, who achieved very little, where he could have otherwise with executive ease, will be an inglorious legacy for him which will haunt him for the rest of his life. He simply cannot run America with defacto 4 more years of BUSH II policies. Either he challenges these policies FUNDAMENTALLY, as a Democrat with radical political roots, or he faces the consequences from 2010....and then into 2012 .)

I really don’t know what to say or think about this dude anymore. The way democracy is supposed to work is that his desire to hold office and the public’s preference for certain policies should reinforce each other and impel us toward a mutually satisfying presidency. Instead, though, he trucks along seemingly oblivious to the fact that the exact opposite is occurring.

This country is sinking in every way imaginable, and he will be held to blame in 2010 and 2012.

And so he should be.

It’s just that that will also mean the return of the monster set, absolutely foaming at the mouth after four years in the wilderness not holding the presidency to which they believe they’re fully entitled to own.

And then Obama will join Clinton, running around the world making speeches and writing books. Maybe they’ll even do joint appearances.

Errrum no! Clinton despite the Jewish organized blowjob, ran a two term presidency, where the economy did very well, with good employment rates........Barack Hussain Obama on the other hand, if the economy tanks during his watch, serving just one term will not be forgiven by the majority of American public, with large numbers unemployed................then he will be reminded of his Muslim name, birth certificate, and racial background in very nasty unkind terms......he will disappear from the limelight naturally, into Chicago maybe if they have him back, or Hawaii, or Indonesia, or Kenya.............exceptionally high hopes have been raised in the American public, and he must deliver....or else......The security acts passed under Bush weren't instituted to fight "al-Qaeda" prof. if you know what I mean......The security legislation instituted in America by Bush II aren't being used against "al-Qaeda" on a adaily basis)

Thanks for that, Barack. You’re a real patriot.

Oh well. At least you got the important stuff right.

You won’t have ruffled any feathers while being president.

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David Michael Green is a professor of political science at Hofstra University in New York. He is delighted to receive readers' reactions to his articles (dmg@regressiveantidote.net), but regrets that time constraints do not always allow him to respond. More of his work can be found at his website, www.regressiveantidote.net.

Its not a question of mere honor; Its a question of national survival.

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My blog covers countless articles about Pakistan for obvious reasons............the country is in a critical situation, and I want to express my perspective to the people, especially government officers, because I have genuine feelings for the welfare of the country, sometimes expressed in colorful terms, sometimes in more measured tones.........And so I am concerned, but not in a voyeuristic vitriolic way.

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I am also concerned about Pakistan because it is an integral part of South Asia. What happens in Pakistan ultimately affects ALL South Asia.
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The fundamental problem of Pakistan is the Pakistan military...........in fact the fundamental problem of many Third World countries are their military......Indonesia for example, Bangladesh, Myanmar, USA....and soon.
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This does not mean that somehow civilian politicians are significantly and starkly better in Pakistan, but because of their power base, civilian politicians are more responsive to the needs of the ordinary people, and therefore the country, then the military men.
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The top echelons of the Pakistan military are trained and indoctrinated in the USA/UK, and so their perspectives on all matters tend to be from the perspectives and LANGUAGE of the USA/UK. In short they act as proxies of the USA/UK knowingly, or subconsciously through their military indoctrination in those countries.
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So in very basic terms, civilian politicians are beholden to the people generally, and military men to Western geostrategic interests.
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So Zardari bhai is responsive to the needs of the Pakistani people?
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Zardari bhai unlike MA Jinnah, LA Khan, ZA Bhutto, S Mujib and Nawaz Sharif is an "unique" case........he is a pure unadulterated criminal whose only goal in life is to make as much money as possible by robbing the public purse and foreign aid, which is why Western powers were happy to murder his wife, and put him in power...........for them he is an "improvement" on MOSSAD Busharaf.
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The West needs failed destabilized societies in order for them to "save" them, as with Afghanistan, and Iraq; two countries which are still failed and destabilized under the Wests control.
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That is why Zardari bhai needs to be removed asap through impeachment/treason proceedings, where proof is provided that he is acting on the orders of Washington, directly..........or corruption charges......or a vote of no confidence in parliament.....The USA will in the course of such action protect him.....and that should further weaken his dwindling political base in Pakistan, so that he starts planning to move to his mansion in Surrey.........the great Pakistani nation, battered and bruised by their trials of history should not dwell on his "rule" any longer.....its an insult to the national IZZAT.
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Let me expand in summary why I think the PAKISTAN MILITARY is the primary threat and destabilizing force within Pakistan. The USA/UK are gora Christian countries on the other side of the world, run by dastardly demonic Jews, waxing lyrical about saving the world from the perils of "al-Qaeda" and the "Taliban", whilst making huge opium profits in the process, strutting around all self-righteous, lecturing all in sundry about virtue, truth and democracy, whilst in addition managing to make the lives of tens of millions in the Third World miserable............there is a limit to the extent of engaging, "understanding", and rationalizing with such a beast.
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The priority for Pakistan is to understand the MAIN PROBLEM WITHIN PAKISTAN..........The main problem within Pakistan is the PAKISTAN MILITARY; always has been. An informed Pakistani lady (usually always is) wrote an extensive book in the 1980's around this topic, which I briefly read about in The Times book review section (author Shareen Mazari????)....for some peculiar reason most Pakistani men think the Pakistan military is the greatest military in the world, and number one asset in the country:
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1. It is possible that sections of the Pakistan military killed LA Khan, depriving the country of a capable seasoned politician in 1951. Certainly not an aggrieved lone gunman,acting on his own. Reasons offered for his murder.....vary.....the military through British direction (UK established the ISI in 1948) wanted to take power, and indeed General Ayub Khan confirmed that he was approached by a clique in 1954 to declare Marshal Law. The other reason is that sections of the military wanted to continue the war with India over Kashmir, an ambition which LA Khan curtailed.
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2. It is the Pakistan military through the direction of the UK, and USA to an extent which destabilizes Pakistan civilian rule between 1951---58.
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3. 1954...The Pakistan military operating in the background sign a friendship Treaty with the USA......with extensive encouragement from the UK. General Ayub Khan is actively involved in the negotiations.......and thus through this aid, and political alignment, with American spy bases in the NWFP (U2), America, Jewish America enters Pakistani politics for the first time which will have fateful consequences for the country. Foreign aid from powerful First World countries always comes with strings attached, and is not a case of "here's our aid, you guys do what you like with it". The best policy is not to take any foreign aid in the first place and then suffer the humiliation of lectures and interference from foreign hostile alien powers run by mad Jews. Most of the $1 billion aid was military aid....so we know that from this very fact it is the Pakistani military who took the lead in the negotiations.
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4. The Pakistan military formally take overpower in 1958, in tandem with the coups in Syria and Iraq.....and the American occupation of Lebanon in 1958.
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5. The Pakistan military using their American equipment started a war against India in 1965. Modern mechanized mass warfare requires a lot of spares, and the Americans mindful of the use of their equipment in the "wrong" theater supplied only one weeks of spares (another good reason not to rely on foreign military aid and arms....Pakistan/India).........but our little Napoleon geniuses in the Pakistan military committed themselves to war, against larger more powerful India, with only one weeks of spares, thinking they could both WIN the whole of Kashmir, and HOLD, Kashmir against India, with one weeks worth of spares.
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The greatest fallacy and thinking within the Pakistan military is that just by being Muslims they are somehow substantially better fighters than the humble passive Indian......WRONG! A chamar from the Pooooonjab who converts to Islam, and changes his name from Lalu Chand Chamar to Shah Bahadur Khan Chisti is still wholly and substantially a chamar in all but name ( a chamar is always a chamar), he does not change his race, to a Pashtun, Persian or a Uzbek from Central Asia........the people who substantially constituted Turkic/Mughal rule in North India circa 1100 AD------1800.
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When a nation commits to war, it also exposes itself to its inherent weaknesses and contradictions. This rule applies to both First World countries and Third World countries alike. Russia 1917. Argentina 1982. This is the sound reason why nations avoid war at all costs. The 1965 war exposed the tensions within Pakistani society, and especially between East Pakistan and West Pakistan. It is only from 1965, after the war that East Pakistanis seriously start thinking about the "differences" between the two wings and the inequalities, and how East Pakistanis could assert greater control over their country. India fully mindful of this sentiment in East Pakistan funded a separatist movement from 1969, after RAW is created in 1968.
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Also during a war you find out who is your true friend or otherwise. The USA slapped an arms embargo against Pakistan, making the Pakistan military machine completely impotent.....and began destabilizing the Ayub regime from that year. India could have marched into Lahore unopposed, as well as the whole of East Pakistan if it chose to do so, but for the pressure of the USA.
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6. For all the talk of blaming ZA Bhutto and S Mujib Rahman for the tragedy of 1971, ULTIMATELY it is the Pakistan military which made the key decisions, upon which they conducted an evil genocidal war against their own people for 9 months from 25th March 1971 to 16th December 1971.....hopefully a war crimes referral in the near future at the Hague. 3,000,000 dead according to the Bangladesh authorities, and 300,000 women raped...........not even the Evil British empire committed such crimes in Bengal.......at most they killed people through mass starvation. The destruction of the infrastructure of the country, and the killing of 250 of the best of the country in 13th December 1971, on the eve of surrender.........So the country is divided because of the key decisions and actions of the PAKISTAN MILITARY......43% of the economy and 56% of the population is lost; the Pakistan military suffers its worst defeat/loss of national prestige........10,000 Pakistan soldiers are killed and 93,000 are POW's.......Bhutto goes to India cap in hand to beg India to hand over the POW's.
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7. General Zia of the Pakistan military the man who was actively involved in the suppression of the Palestinian uprising in 1970, serving as Brigadier in a proxy colonial force in Jordan. He was made C & C of the Pakistani armed forces by ZA Bhutto, as a trusted man. There is in human nature such a thing as gratitude and loyalty to ones country and leader (basic animal group behavior------- .....observe wolf packs, ..........http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKpZUsRJWBg">chimp's in groups, ....or ants even, you fucking bhen chauds), but for a Chamar Chamcha Chaud from the Pooooooooonjab this general human basic "quality" does not apply.
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So in 1977, the military Chaud acting on the orders of the USA illegally takes power in Pakistan, and then kills his former mentor and benefactor; based on fake charges,..... no expulsion into foreign shores, or simple imprisonment, or house arrest.........no moral remorse or leeway.
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Bhutto's crime was that he was standing up for his country, and giving assertive speeches along the lines........"We will eat grass if we have to until we get the nuke bomb.".......this alarmed the Jews......and they sent Henry Kissinger first, and then later the Pakistan military to enforce their writ.......you kill Bhutto, a democratically elected President, and you kill the Pakistan nuke bomb, so the Jew thinking went. Bhutto was of course playing to the gallery, as a populist Third World leader, reflecting popular public sentiment.......that is all......he certainly wasn't making any nuke bombs himself, far from it.
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More significantly, the actions of the MILITARY chamar chaud back in 1977 set a far far dangerous precedent, which has had a fundamental impact on Pakistan's national politics ever since. The precedent and unspoken rule is this. "If you as leader of Pakistan oppose the USA, we'll kill ya, and replace you, and we can rely on the Pakistan military to do it for us, CONVERSELY, if you slavishly follow our dictates in Washington then you have a better chance of running Pakistan.".........Is it any wonder that Pakistan is a failed state number 9..........where the President visits the American embassy every day. Who is responsible for this? Jews are gangsters.....you give them an inch,they will take a mile, BUT ultimately it is the duty of honest Pakistanis with IZZAT,who must take the responsibility for protecting their nation,family and homes.
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Chamar Chamcha Chaud Zia and the entire top brass is killed by America, later, when they have served their purpose in Afghanistan and Pakistan, and civilian Benazir Bhutto is bought into power.
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8. General Zia of the PAKISTAN MILITARY also did one other bad thing from 1977......The Islamisation of Pakistan society. Another Dangerous Pakistan military decision as it moves the national focus away from the key sectors into dead ends. Pakistan does not need more Koran thumping orthodox SUNNI Islam to bind and unite the nation into a successful fruitful modern future, what the country needs is for the military to stay out of power, democracy, good transparent government, a neutral judiciary, anti-corruption, civil society, economic development for all.........industrialization (1.6 millions of annual steel production?)....more exports ($18 billion ha ha ha!)........$30 billion budget only! .....and where anti-state Chamar Chamcha Chauds traitors cease cooperating with Foreign interfering powers who don't have, never have had, the best interests of Pakistan.
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9. General Zia of the PAKISTAN MILITARY also did one other bad thing, which would have profound consequences for Pakistan and the wider region. .............the funding of hard line Islamic fighters in Afghanistan as a proxy of the Pakistan military, of the most extreme peculiar kind.............Gulbuddin Hekmatyar, over more moderate Afghan resistance forces......Ahmed Shah Masood.This set a trend in the thinking of the Pakistan military.....which culminated in the creation of the Taliban in 1994, with active encouragement from the USA...........and the result is for all to see. The Pakistan military is expending a good deal of its resources and manpower fighting their own created monsters. Why did the Pakistan military think that a triumphant Taliban in Afghanistan would be good for relatively modern neighboring Pakistan......didn't the great Pakistan military strategic planners realize that such an unique neighbor, fixed on a perch in Kabul, would have severe destabilizing effects on Pakistan, as it is now, even though its limited to parts of FATA?
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In addition SUNNI Islamic fundamentalist groups were also organized by the PAKISTAN MILITARY, within Pakistan which would wage jihad against Shia Pakistanis in various parts of Pakistan........creating a civil war scenario, and against India. For the genius's of the Pakistan military, they did not realize the long term blow back serious consequences of such action......"lets train and arm a few village idiots, and see what happens".....
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10. From 1988--1999 civilian government, most of it ineffective and unstable. During this period the PAKISTAN MILITARY interfered with the civilian government, or did not depending on the head of the armed forces..........American embassy playing an active role in Pakistan politics, continually.
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11. MOSSAD Busharaf of the PAKISTAN MILITARY recruited as Israeli agent in the early 1980's, when General Zia let in a lot of Israelis into Pakistan to train the Mujaheddin, with 3 of his fellow generals in 1999, decided in secret to launch a war against India, without telling the rest of the military, OR the civilian head of government...........surely a state crime of some kind. What is the MILITARY objective of the Kargil campaign? NONE............no realistic objective, but the war is a cover to destabilize the civilian government in Islamabad, which then allows the military to come back into power which they did 3 months later, headed by MOSSAD Busharaf, "Hero of Kargil".
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MOSSAD Busharaf invested the NLI and a few SSG in this great military campaign,numbering 5,000--10,000, against 30,000 Indian soldiers, and 300 artillery. Given the numbers, and type of equipment used in the campaign, there clearly was no intention by Mossad Busharaf of winning the Kargil military campaign, otherwise he would have invested more men or resources into it from the regular forces, and not just paramilitary (unofficially Pakistan has 800,000 men in the military, and 300,000 in the paramilitary)......you'd think hey. Consequently the NLI are slaughtered by the regular Indian military opposing them,who are better armed and trained.....4,000 dead on the Pakistani side, against about 600 Indian casualties...and for many weeks the Pakistan military does not claim the war dead as theirs; MOSSAD Busharaf apparently busy playing golf according to reliable sources.....which is disgraceful, but typical of Poonjabi Chamar Chamcha Chaud behavior............one notes the ease with which MOSSAD Busharafs regime (1999---2008), used violence as a tool of state policy.......another pure criminal and traitor, hoping to come back to power when Zardari's government eventually collapses.
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The PAKISTAN MILITARY tried the same trick recently, when they set up the Swat Taliban replete with uninterrupted radio station, logistics, and state sanctioned legitimacy (basically the Taliban can set up their own country within Pakistan proper, with its own law, with the tacit approval and support of the PAKISTAN MILITARY in the background) to destabilize and threaten the Zardari government, close to Islamabad recently in 2009..........so that/justification...."The Pakistan military needs to take over Pakistan and declare marshal law, to protect Pakistan from a Taliban takeover"...........another dangerous game by the PAKISTAN MILITARY. ............a folly Scotched by Washington, when they "ORDER" the PAKISTAN MILITARY to be more vigorous in fighting the Taliban or else.
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12. But perhaps the most dangerous legacy and action of the Pakistan military is the creation of the "al-Qaeda" myth with the tacit covert guidance from Washington. When the Pakistan military fucked up and miscalculated in the 1965 war, all that happened was that they licked their wounds,and went back to their barracks. In 1971, they lost 56% of the population and 43% of economy, so they conceded power to the civilian government, licked their wounds, recovered their 93,000 POW's and stayed in the background for 5 years. When they lost the 1999 Kargil war, they blamed the loss on the civilian government, destabilized it, and took power within 3 months.......
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.......BUT by creating the "al-Qaeda" hologram for America/Israel, and sustaining it (just last week the Pakistan military announced that they were launching an attack against a compound in NWFP which may house Bin Laden,the long dead "leader"of "al-Qaeda" ) is a whole new dangerous scenario and game which the PAKISTAN MILITARY are yet again playing, which can have dire consequences for Pakistan in the future, and which is slowly building up around Pakistan........Pakistan is quite often now called the most dangerous nation on earth; terrorist hub number one, by very important people in Washington, London and other important countries............the logical progression of such a narrative is an attack in the future against Pakistan, comprehensively by America and her allies. This narrative has been critically assisted, AGAINST PAKISTAN'S INTEREST, by the PAKISTAN MILITARY. (please can some one explain to me how Pakistan benefits from being imaged globally as a terrorist hub number one, which is then attacked by the USA.......back to the stone age).....this is the last most dangerous legacy of the PAKISTAN MILITARY to the Pakistan people......the most traitorous deed in the service of Israel/Washington for the sake of friendship, and foreign aid.
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13. Civilians governments in Pakistan are not paradigms of virtue and good governance, but the thing is with civilian governments they don't generally make MONUMENTAL MISTAKES WHICH HAVE DIRE CONSEQUENCES FOR THE NATION IMMEDIATELY OR A COUPLE YEARS LATER.......as is the case with the PAKISTAN MILITARY governance.

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Has Pakistan lost its honor (The Pakistan military never had any in the first place) by The London Telegraph, Dean Nelson.

A fascinating article in Pakistans The News newspaper by A.Q Khan, who as the creator of its nuclear weapon capability is the source of much of his countrys military pride, but is the cause of great suspicion in the West for his role in helping states like North Korea and Iran develop their nuclear programmes.

(Iran's been under nuclear sanctions for quite a while, and so in order to develop its civilian nuclear industry it has had to approach rather dubious sources sometimes, such as AQ Khan's "supermarket for nukes" network...........but there should not be any guilt by simple association. We do understand that they have allowed IAEA inspectors into Iran since 2003, and have clearly and repeatedly declared that they are opposed to nuclear weapons........and various international expert sources have verified this fact as much........however North Korea on the other hand....)

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In his article he appears to suggest Pakistan has lost its ‘ghairat’, its honour.
He doesn’t explicitly state the grounds, but many of his readers will have their own examples and case studies to back up his argument.

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Predator drone attacks are launched by the United States into Pakistan territory despite protests from its ministers, its army launches attacks on militants they themselves have trained to fight in India and Afghanistan, and President Obama’s Special Envoy Richard Holbrooke comes and goes as he pleases to tell its president and prime minister what they should do.

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For this Mr Holbrooke is known as Pakistan’s ‘Viceroy’, while in proud India his plans to visit are occasionally rejected to remind him who calls the shots in the sub-continent.

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Now, the Kerry-Lugar Bill in the United States will give Pakistan $1.5 billion per year in aid, but require its leaders to sign an annual audit to confirm they have met American demands on tackling terrorism.

(This is a perfectly logical demand by Congress given that Pakistan along the corruption index is way up there,and recession hit America in further bloating its unsustainable empire needs to know where all the moola is going)

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In President Musharraf’s biography In the Line of Fire, the retired General gives an extraordinary insight into his country’s relationship with the United States, recounting how on the day after the September 11 attacks, U.S Secretary of State Colin Powell summoned him from a meeting to take a phone call and told him:

.“You’re either with us or against us.” The following day, he said, his intelligence chief was told by Colin Powell’s deputy, Richard Armitage, that Pakistan was “either with America or with the terrorists, but that if we were with the terrorists we should be prepared to be bombed back to the Stone Age.”
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Pakistan’s relationship with the Taliban and al-Qaeda has, like that of the United States, been historically complicated, but mainly because it was fulfilling Washington’s anti-Soviet foreign policy goals in Afghanistan.

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The United States obviously needed to respond to the frontal attack of 9/11 and needed to know who its friends were. But can a friend be spoken to like that and retain any sense of honour?

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http://mostaqueali.blogspot.com/2009/09/bhai-saab-pakistan-isnt-iraq-under.html

http://mostaqueali.blogspot.com/2009/05/de-coupling-from-usa-strategy.html

http://mostaqueali.blogspot.com/2009/05/is-this-going-to-be-another-vietnam.html

http://mostaqueali.blogspot.com/2009/04/urgent-de-construction-of-al-qaeda-myth.html

http://mostaqueali.blogspot.com/2009/04/old-problem-of-twisted-logic.html

http://mostaqueali.blogspot.com/2009/04/dangerous-double-game-by-pakistan.html

http://mostaqueali.blogspot.com/2009/04/fiddling-whilst-pakistan-burns.html

http://mostaqueali.blogspot.com/2009/04/dangerous-traitorous-game-by-pakistan.html

http://mostaqueali.blogspot.com/2009/04/blog-post.html

http://mostaqueali.blogspot.com/2009/04/99-of-pakistani-people-vs-anglocised.html

http://mostaqueali.blogspot.com/2009/04/so-sad-but-no-great-surprise.html

http://mostaqueali.blogspot.com/2009/04/major-paradigm-shift-in-policy-from.html

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What Pakistanis must do, for the sake of national survival:

• Close ALL American military bases in Pakistan.
  
• Reject ALL foreign military advisers in Pakistan
  
• Close ALL foreign intelligence activity in Pakistan
  
• Reject and resist any missiles attacks or incursions by Western soldiers into sovereign Pakistan territory.
  
• Stop taking security aid which indebted Pakistan to Washington's policies.
  
• Through the MSM in Pakistan...Geo news, Dawn, PTV etc state to all Pakistanis that OBL is dead, and that he may have died in 2001.
  
• Tell the Pakistani people through the MSM that "al-Qaeda" is a fake organization that never existed..............tell them clearly and comprehensively. Then the people will be able to understand the real situation in Pakistan and make better assessment of who exactly is fighting who. There is no greater asset than taking the general people into your confidence. The American narrative must be debunked in relation to Afghanistan/Pakistan, and only then can American policies can be debunked in the region also. The Pakistani military at the very least should not sustain American lies.
  
• Reject Holbrooke the Jew, the "peacemaker of the Balkans" as a mediator for Pakistan/Afghan affairs. His only duty and job is to facilitate and legitimate failed states such as Bosnia, and Kosovo.
  

In doing these things Washington may impose sanctions against Pakistan; America certainly is not in a position to militarily attack Pakistan as it was in 2001, and threatened to do so..."Bomb ya back to the stone age.....". Also the Obama administration "enlightened" by 8 years of the previous administration is not internationally irresponsible as Bush II...........so the worse that can happen is the cutting off of some aid by Washington.........which Pakistan can respond to by blocking the supplies of logistics and materials going to the occupation forces in Afghanistan.

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One is not suggesting Pakistan becomes a pseudo anti-American power like mullah Iran, with the attendant unnecessary theatrics and rhetoric for the benefit of the USA and global public, BUT Pakistan must ultimately pursue its own interests for the sake of national survival, rather than acting as now as a basic appendage to USA geo-strategy......which patently is harming and destabilizing Pakistan.

Common sense and sober assessment vs rabid paranioc hysteria.

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This is yet another sober assessment by Professor Juan Cole about Iran, and its real situation and intentions, as a pose to the propaganda and hype that is often offered by the Western media about mullah Iran.

But there are also fundamental flaws in his assessment about Iran, which he fails to address. Fundamental concerns about Iran which he fails to address. This leaves the door open to the lynch mobs of public hysteria to attack Iran further; American policy against Iran has been as much about emotion as it has been about basic common sense, and what is in the best interests of America over the contentious issue of mullah Iran.

In trying to understand Iran, and from an American perspective build a working relationship, we must first find out how the mullah regime came about in the first place, in 1979, and then figure out from there, critically, what is the real rationale and policies of the mullah regime beyond the public rhetoric at Fridays prayers and other venues, the understanding of which holistically can be used to engage Iran more meaningfully, and for the best interests of America.

The mullahs were installed by the USA/UK:

http://www.netnative.com/news/06/mar/1090.html

Working closely with France:

http://mostaqueali.blogspot.com/2008/07/reality-of-british-puppets.html

For what purpose I can only speculate:

http://mostaqueali.blogspot.com/2007/12/mullah-puppets-of-zion.html

Israel was also most likely involved.
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What we can be sure about is that the mullahs were installed to subvert Iran, pull Iranian society backwards, and de-legitimate Iran in the eyes of the international community, ......and the Iranian regime certainly has done a good job in that department.

If we accept this basic premise and "understand" where its coming from in terms of its true origin, then engaging the country can be more effective. That is not to say that the mullahs should be permanently legitimated as rightful rulers of Iran; one wishes to see the mullah regime disappear from the page of history sooner or later, HOWEVER, what one does not want is a wholly unnecessary attack and subsequent war against Iran which is open ended just like Iraq and Afghanistan, based on false information and assumptions, which suits the fruitcake warmongers in Israel.
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America can "manage" to a certain extent mullah Iran if the USA is flexible and imaginative...........relations between the two countries can grow, without compromising American interests in the wider Middle East. You can influence the course of policy within the country far more effectively if American has diplomatic relations with a country, then you can from a great distance (e.g. Pakistan, and the huge embassy being built there soon) Certainly its high time a new track is applied by America over mullah puppet Iran.
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Informed Comment
Thoughts on the Middle East, History, and Religion
By Professor Juan Cole, President of the Global Americana Institute

Thursday, October 01, 2009

Top Things you Think You Know about Iran that are not True:

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Thursday is a fateful day for the world, as the US, other members of the United Nations Security Council, and Germany meet in Geneva with Iran in a bid to resolve outstanding issues. Although Iranian president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad had earlier attempted to put the nuclear issue off the bargaining table, this rhetorical flourish was a mere opening gambit and nuclear issues will certainly dominate the talks. As Henry Kissinger pointed out, these talks are just beginning and highly unlikely that there will be any breakthroughs for a very long time. Diplomacy is a marathon, not a sprint.
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But on this occasion, I thought I'd take the opportunity to list some things that people tend to think they know about Iran, but for which the evidence is shaky.
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Belief: Iran is aggressive and has threatened to attack Israel, its neighbors or the US.

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Reality: Iran has not launched an aggressive war modern history (unlike the US or Israel), and its leaders have a doctrine of "no first strike." This is true of Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei, as well as of Revolutionary Guards commanders.

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(There is rhetorical hostility towards the USA, with rent-a-demonstrations, walking over American flags, burning American flags, America is the "Great Satan" slogan...and soon and soon, SO/BUT there is political rhetoric and then there is real state intentions.
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Chris Patten a British minister can be called the son of a whore by a certain state very publicly, and then he can just as easily next day sit with his exotic name callers, all smiles and handshakes, and continue with the serious business of state to state negotiations which benefit both countries.........or British diplomats in the presence of wife/children being beaten up by over zealous Revolutionary Guards personnel in Tehran, and yet in a short time relations between the two nations are back to normal.....business as usual.
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The thing is not to take ones queue about Iran from the American media, work one self up about it unnecessarily, which then leads American foreign policy, but rather take a calm sober, circumspect views of Iran......and think in terms of how to manage Iran in the best interests of America..........rather than huffing and puffing from a good distance, with a dose of threats, which is illegal under international law and not the long term productive answer.

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AND its not as if the mullahs don't like America........we have had sporadic covert relations between the two countries, since 1979. After all America with Britain, France and possibly Israel originally bought the mullahs into power, and then America got frozen out gradually.........
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"The October Surprise" on going in 1980,with shuttle meetings between Ahmed, Khomeini's son and other senior revolutionary figures with American officials in Paris and other parts of Europe, secretly.
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Iran/Contra in the 1980's, with Robert Macfarlane and other Reagan officials presenting cakes to the mullahs in Tehran in 1984/85 .
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.......the more recent co-operation against Taliban Afghanistan, and Saddam's Iraq; the meetings in Rome of senior Revolutionary Guards officers with American officials between 2001---2003 about "intelligence" sharing about Iraq, organized by the neocon Michael Ladeen.
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The meeting of Iranian officials with American government officers in the Gulf.....so why not normalize such surreptitious relations some of which are usually illegal, into formal legal negotiations, which everybody can observe, in the public limelight?......Will the world end for America? One thinks not.

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Iran has tried to formalize relations with America on 3 specific occasions, but was snubbed in all of them:
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1) 1995, "come and sign oil deals with us"....American response 1996, sanctions along with Arab Libya.
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2) 2001, "We have helped you in Afghanistan,and we have common interests in the region,so lets work together". American response in January 2002, Iran is part of the "Axis of Evil" along with Iraq and North Korea.
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3) Finally in 2003, via Switzerland....code number 3 NY/Germany, "We wish formalized negotiated relations with Israel; the cessation of funding for all external resistance groups; full cooperation in terms of Iraq; full cooperation with the nuclear question".......basically everything the Americans could only dream about in getting from Iran.....BUT American response,....after Iraq, its Iran's turn......the road to Tehran is through Iraq...blah..blah...blah.....and other such Cocky talk.

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Does the State Department have a copy of that 2003 letter?
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It certainly should not be about getting into a girlie sulk/huff, "nah..nana..nah....naa, I'm not talking to you. Can't hear you......."
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Belief: Iran is a militarized society bristling with dangerous weapons and a growing threat to world peace.
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Reality: Iran's military budget is a little over $6 billion annually. Sweden, Singapore and Greece all have larger military budgets. Moreover, Iran is a country of 70 million, so that its per capita spending on defense is tiny compared to these others, since they are much smaller countries with regard to population. Iran spends less per capita on its military than any other country in the Persian Gulf region with the exception of the United Arab Emirates.

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(Iran will never become a great military power, with an effective conventional offensive potential which threatens the region under the present regime.

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WHY SO?

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The mullahs installed by the USA/UK/France distrust the Iranian military and the possibility that they may attempt a coup against the unpopular mullah puppet regime. ...."Noje Coup" attempt in 1980 by 600 plus officers mainly in the airforce,tipped off to the mullah's by Gaddaffi, OR elements in Western intelligence keen to protect the newly installed mullah puppet regime----{basically if you are planning to overthrow the mullah regime don't plan it in a Western country, with the knowledge of Western officials.....remember the vast number of Iranian resistence members who have been killed in Europe....such things don't happen without the approval of local security.......in Paris especially.}.......In addition, just to make sure, the mullahs have periodically culled large numbers of senior military officers within mullah Iran, including Revolutionary Guard commanders in the classic manner of the Soviet purges of the Red army in the 1930's.
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The Turkish Military have 1 million men under arms working closely with Israhell/USA, and the other neighbor Pakistan has 1.1 million security men under arms working closely with the USA{Jundallah}. Mean while Iran has 420,000 men in the Iranian military, 350,000 army, 50,000 airforce, 20,000 navy.....spending 3% on defence {a nation supposedly about to be attacked by Israel or USA}......200 serviceable jets, 1600 tanks,and 3,000 serviceable artillery......The Russians don't sell them huge quantities of conventional arms but rather piecemeal arms transfers which are usually sold at over inflated prices........which are subsequently hounded down and criticised by Israel/USA.....)
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Belief: Iran has threatened to attack Israel militarily and to "wipe it off the map."
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Reality: No Iranian leader in the executive has threatened an aggressive act of war on Israel, since this would contradict the doctrine of 'no first strike' to which the country has adhered. The Iranian president has explicitly said that Iran is not a threat to any country, including Israel.
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(Mistranslation by MEMRI, DEBKA, and IRNA the later of which is allied to the Rafsanjani camp, and repeated and amplified by the Zionist media as the gospel truth. A mullah regime installed by the USA/UK/France which is fundamentalist Islam isn't going to wipe out the site in Jerusalem where the prophet Mohammed ascended to heaven, and go down in history as the destroyers of that very important site........one of the most holiest sites of Islam, together with 4 million Palestinians.....just ain't going to happen....unless you are a paraniod batshit schizo Jew, who thinks Iran is 6 months away from the nuke bomb for the last 30 years.........search the articles in Israeli newspapers over the last 30 years)
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Belief: But didn't President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad threaten to 'wipe Israel off the map?

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Reality: President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad did quote Ayatollah Khomeini to the effect that "this Occupation regime over Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time" (in rezhim-e eshghalgar-i Qods bayad as safheh-e ruzgar mahv shavad). This was not a pledge to roll tanks and invade or to launch missiles, however. It is the expression of a hope that the regime {in Tel-a-Viv} will collapse, just as the Soviet Union did. It is not a threat to kill anyone at all.
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(Ahmedinejad is a pint sized crypto-Jew placed into power to bait and rouse the rabble; the sedative and circus distraction for the Iranian masses to forget about their daily woes under mullah misrule...http://mostaqueali.blogspot.com/2009/02/ahmedinejad-jew.html but, yes, he was misquoted....he did not say he wanted to wipe Israel off the map)
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Belief: But aren't Iranians Holocaust deniers?
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Actuality: Some are, some aren't. Former president Mohammad Khatami has castigated Ahmadinejad for questioning the full extent of the Holocaust, which he called "the crime of Nazism." Many educated Iranians in the regime are perfectly aware of the horrors of the Holocaust. In any case, despite what propagandists imply, neither Holocaust denial (as wicked as that is) nor calling Israel names is the same thing as pledging to attack it militarily.
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(Really prof. what % of Iranians actually sit at home pondering seriously over the esoteric subject of Israel.........1%...maybe 2%........the most likely topic of concern/worry for the average Iranian is more likely to be the price of food,transport, basic commodities,their wages and salary, work, the economy, the harvest, Afghan and foreign refugees in Iran; education; crime....and perhaps local politics...linked to these subjects)

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Belief: Iran is like North Korea in having an active nuclear weapons program, and is the same sort of threat to the world.

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Actuality: Iran has a nuclear enrichment site at Natanz near Isfahan where it says it is trying to produce fuel for future civilian nuclear reactors to generate electricity. All Iranian leaders deny that this site is for weapons production, and the International Atomic Energy Agency has repeatedly inspected it and found no weapons program. Iran is not being completely transparent, generating some doubts, but all the evidence the IAEA and the CIA can gather points to there not being a weapons program. The 2007 National Intelligence Estimate by 16 US intelligence agencies, including the CIA and the Defense Intelligence Agency, assessed with fair confidence that Iran has no nuclear weapons research program. This assessment was based on debriefings of defecting nuclear scientists, as well as on the documents they brought out, in addition to US signals intelligence from Iran. While Germany, Israel and recently the UK intelligence is more suspicious of Iranian intentions, all of them were badly wrong about Iraq's alleged Weapons of Mass Destruction and Germany (intelligence) in particular was taken in by Curveball, a drunk Iraqi braggart.

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(Well this was politicised intelligence; intelligence to fit the official political narrative of war against Iraq........as described by Sir Richard Dearlove in 2002. Since then maybe with the outcome of Iraq, and Afghanistan, in hindsight a second thought is emerging based on the result of the previous two follies of war..........mullah Iran purely for ideological reasons is not interested in nuclear weapons........in the Gulf war against Saddam, they faced Saddam's chemical weapons for many years without responding with the like for a while......this should tell us something.)

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Belief: The West recently discovered a secret Iranian nuclear weapons plant in a mountain near Qom.

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Actuality: Iran announced Monday a week ago to the International Atomic Energy Agency that it had begun work on a second, civilian nuclear enrichment facility near Qom. There are no nuclear materials at the site and it has not gone hot, so technically Iran is not in violation of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, though it did break its word to the IAEA that it would immediately inform the UN of any work on a new facility. Iran has pledged to allow the site to be inspected regularly by the IAEA, and if it honors the pledge, as it largely has at the Natanz plant, then Iran cannot produce nuclear weapons at the site, since that would be detected by the inspectors. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton admitted on Sunday that Iran could not produce nuclear weapons at Natanz precisely because it is being inspected. Yet American hawks have repeatedly demanded a strike on Natanz.
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Belief: The world should sanction Iran not only because of its nuclear enrichment research program but also because the current regime stole June's presidential election and brutally repressed the subsequent demonstrations.
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Actuality: Iran's reform movement is dead set against increased sanctions on Iran, which likely would not affect the regime, and would harm ordinary Iranians.

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(Iranian elections are fixed as they are in many other banana countries.........Ahmedinejad is the circus clown performing for the ruling mullah junta, as a non-mullah, and behind the mullah's, certain European powers "guiding"the country........it is a brutal theocratic dictatorship which mass murdered many people upon coming to power in 1979, and sending 5 million educated middle class Iranians out of the country as refugees; the death of 100,000 Iranians in the great civil war against the Tudeh Communist left alliance during 1981-82; 8 years war against Iraq claiming the lives of 1 million Iranian men and children.....no war against Iraq if the Shah, and the Iranian military intact were still in power; the summary execution of 30,000 Iranian civilians on the panic belief that Saddam would occupy Tehran in 1988; summary and primitive justice for many Iranians since...........Iran is not a democracy in any shape or form...and the Iranian people should struggle alone to over throw this alien imposed puppet regime.........The West is not interested in doing so)
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Belief: Isn't the Iranian regime irrational and crazed, so that a doctrine of mutally assured destruction just would not work with them?

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Actuality: Iranian politicians are rational actors. If they were madmen, why haven't they invaded any of their neighbors? Saddam Hussein of Iraq invaded both Iran and Kuwait. Israel invaded its neighbors more than once. In contrast, Iran has not started any wars. Demonizing people by calling them unbalanced is an old propaganda trick. The US elite was once unalterably opposed to China having nuclear science because they believed the Chinese are intrinsically irrational. This kind of talk is a form of racism.

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Belief: The international community would not have put sanctions on Iran, and would not be so worried, if it were not a gathering nuclear threat.

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Actuality: The centrifuge technology that Iran is using to enrich uranium is open-ended. In the old days, you could tell which countries might want a nuclear bomb by whether they were building light water reactors (unsuitable for bomb-making) or heavy-water reactors (could be used to make a bomb). But with centrifuges, once you can enrich to 5% to fuel a civilian reactor, you could theoretically feed the material back through many times and enrich to 90% for a bomb. However, as long as centrifuge plants are being actively inspected, they cannot be used to make a bomb. The two danger signals would be if Iran threw out the inspectors or if it found a way to create a secret facility. The latter task would be extremely difficult, however, as demonstrated by the CIA's discovery of the Qom facility construction in 2006 from satellite photos. Nuclear installations, especially centrifuge ones, consume a great deal of water, construction materiel, and so forth, so that constructing one in secret is a tall order. In any case, you can't attack and destroy a country because you have an intuition that they might be doing something illegal. You need some kind of proof. Moreover, Israel, Pakistan and India are all much worse citizens of the globe than Iran, since they refused to sign the NPT and then went for broke to get a bomb; and nothing at all has been done to any of them by the UNSC.

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Belief: Iran is the greatest sponsor of global terrorism, and a threat to world peace:

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Actuality: USA/Israel are the greatest sponsors of global terrorism, used as extentions of covert state policy......mafia style. http://amconmag.com/article/2007/feb/12/00017/ and not forgetting USA/Israel covert activity in South/Central America, Africa, Europe, and Asia.......really where ever America goes covertly, for some reason the Israelis invite themselves along, and the Americans seem to have no problems with that..............but what about "al-Qaeda" and Iran......."al-Qaeda" fictional fake "al-Qaeda" is a hologram front of Western/Israeli intelligence. http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/fakealqaeda.html but lets all pretend that "al-Qaeda" really does exist...........it is a Sunni fundamentalist organisation,which allegedly butchered Iranian diplomats in Mazar-i-Sharif in 1998, which caused the mullahs to mass 250,000 on the Afghan border....whilst Iran is a SHIA fundamentalist state, which hates "al-Qaeda" with a vengence....they are not going to work together ever.

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Iran does sponsor, train, arm and finance the Lebanese based Hizbollah with about $100 million a year, which is a SHIA only organisation, representing 40% of Lebanon's population,along with AMAL {America gives terrorist Israel possibly $5 billion a year, with far, far worse consequences for the world}. It is not a terrorist group, but a local national liberation movement that conducts its operations EXCLUSIVELY against military targets within Lebanon, and Israel. Iran does fund Hamas, and other Palestinian groups who seek "self-determination '' within their own country, but it is doubtful whether Shia Iran is in addition extensively arming them to the same level as Hizbollah.....since they are Sunni Islamic fundamentalist groups..........the Palestinians have the right to bear arms and struggle for national liberation, within their own country, under "self-determination" and international law....if they feel that Israel has no sincere desire for peaceful co-existence..........and Iran can legally supply them with arms if the Palestinians so do request such assistence.
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Belief: Iran is funding and fueling the Iraqi resistence, which has killed approaching 5,000 USA servicemen.

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Actuality: The main resistance against the hostile American occupation of Iraq for 6 years ongoing is from the SUNNI 20% minority of Iraq who have been traditionally the rulers of Iraq for about 1,300 years, when the Islamic Caliphate was first established. There are 30,000 "bitter enders" fighting the American forces, of which 5% are foreign fighters drawn from Saudi Arabia, Syria, and other Arab countries....often mistakenly labeled as "al-Qaeda"....1,500...in Iraq to protect and fight for the Sunni minority,as much as fight the American occupation forces. America has since attempted to buy many of these Iraqi Sunni fighters under various schemes.

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Lets put it another way, since the American hostile occupation of Iraq, for the first time in history, for 1,300 years, SHIA rulers are in "control" of the country, and the puppet mullahs in Tehran are to say the least ecstatic about this unique historical occurrence via America's good grace, because two of the holiest sites for SHIA Islam is in Iraq, Karbellah and Najaf, extensively damaged by Saddam......SO it would not be in Iran's interests to destabilize the Iraqi apple cart NOW, but rather assist the Americans in their effort, as the Iranians have repeatedly offered in clear diplomatic channels. Further Iranians have good reasons to hate Saddam, and are to an extent grateful to America in removing Saddam.

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The American military have made some clumsy presentations which purport to show Iranian involvement in the Iraqi resistence.....but nobody has taken them seriously.

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Belief: Like Saddam and his WMD programs, and his linkages with "al-Qaeda", and the covert meetings in Prague of the operatives of the two organisations, as stated by non other than Dick Cheney.............Iran in the future after building the nuke bomb just might hand over one such device to "al-Qaeda" which is subsequently exploded in a Western country.

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Actuality: Whilst SHIA Islam does advocate martyrdom in the battle field fighting ones armed foe conventionally...mano-o-mano, the religion does not specifically call for mass NATIONAL suicide and which does not provide specific strategic benefits for Iran {stated with a straight face given the nature of the topic}.........the puppet mullahs installed by the USA/UK/France, and manipulated by certain European powers from the background ultimately must be RATIONAL to have ruled Iran for 30 years.

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One also must assume that the mullahs over the years have grown rather fond of ruling Iran, with all the attendant perks {many of them are now billionaires, living above the law}.....so why would they want to throw ALL that away, and kill themselves, and their families, and destroy their country as would happen in any retaliatory attack.

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All the indications and chatter out of Iran indicates the mullahs are CRAVING LEGITIMACY, AND DIPLOMATIC RECOGNITION FROM THE USA.......and the maintenance of the present status quo within Iran for many more years to come, rather than end it all suddenly for no clear justifiable rational reason...........the peculiar perspectives of schizo-Jews and their butt buddies not withstanding, and their arrogance is dishing out such basic boogie boogie stories to the rest of the gentile poplation.

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"al-Qaeda" is SUNNI fundamentalist, which allegedly butchered Iranian diplomats in Mazar-i-Sharif in 1998, Northern Afghanistan, causing Iran to mobilise 250,000 troops on the Afghan/Iran border. The mullahs call the Taliban and by implication "al-Qaeda" as "fossilised dinosaurs". In short mullah SHIA Iran hates the "al-Qaeda".

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There are about 100-200 "al-Qaeda" operatives in Iran, but they are not invited guests living the life of Reilly....most are under house arrest, with very restricted movement. But why are they in SHIA Iran? After the American invasion of Afghanistan in 2001 many Arab fighters allied to the Taliban escaped to Pakistan, then back to their countries via Oman, whilst other Arab fighters attempted to reach their country through Iran, especially if they happened to be in the vicinity of Western Afghanistan.....some reached their country of origin, whilst others were caught by Iranian security...............the Afghan/Iranian border is very long and porous.

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The Iraqi/Saddam/al-Qaeda/WMD/Prague meet-up proved to be a dud, and a fabrication to justfy war against Iraq. When prominent Jewess's and Jewish "experts" and their attendant butt buddy gentiles repeat this mantra ad nauseum in the media, "I'm just so scared the day "al-Qaeda"gets hold of a nuke bomb" without elaborating this simple crass sound bite.........then for sure Western security should be alert to Israel's intentions and modes for justifying endless war in their attempt at trying to achieve Eretz Israel.....by what ever means.

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6................dead in WTC 1993.

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169............dead at Oklahoma.1995. http://judicial-inc.biz/Oklahoma_City_Bomb.htm

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3,000.........dead in the vicinity of the twin towers on 9/11. 2001.

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10,000---40,000.......dead because of a dirty bomb from "al-Qaeda". 2011.

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Israel was involved in ALL the above through their local security contacts in the USA.........that created the present security state in the USA, AND which allowed Israel to exert a greater influence over such a security state, AND ensured this security state followed Israel's geo-strategic agenda exclusively.

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Such evil dastardly things seem to happen/evolve during Democractic party rule,as it is the party which is closer to Israel,and more "Jewish" than the Republican party....80% of Jews vote for the Democractic party traditionally.

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This particular soundbite is used as a threat by the Jews and their gentile butt buddies,"Do as we say, or else you know what "al-Qaeda"will do."

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The question is how self respecting gentiles in the West react to such banal obvious public threats.